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Vista Wins on Looks. As for Lacks...
The New York Times ^ | December 14, 2006 | David Pogue

Posted on 12/13/2006 8:22:40 PM PST by Zakeet

After five years of starts, stops, executive shuffling, feature rethinks and delays, Windows Vista is finally complete. It’s available to corporations already, and starting Jan. 30, it’s what you’ll get on any new PC. Its programmers, who probably haven’t seen their families in months, will have an especially merry Christmas this year.

So after five years, how is Windows Vista? Microsoft’s description, which you’ll soon be seeing in millions of dollars’ worth of advertising, is “Clear, Confident, Connected.” But a more truthful motto would be “Looks, Locks, Lacks.”

Looks

Windows Vista is beautiful. Microsoft has never taken elegance so seriously before.

Discreet eye candy is partly responsible. Windows and menus cast subtle shadows. A new typeface gives the whole affair a fresh, modern feeling. Subtle animations liven up the proceedings.

If the description so far makes Vista sound a lot like the Macintosh, well, you’re right. You get the feeling that Microsoft’s managers put Mac OS X on an easel and told the programmers, “Copy that.”

Here are some of the grace notes that will remind you of similar ones on the Mac: A list of favorite PC locations appears at the left side of every Explorer window, which you can customize just by dragging folders in or out. You now expand or collapse lists of folders by clicking little flippy triangles. When you’re dragging icons to copy them, a cursor “badge” appears that indicates how many you’re moving. The Minimize, Maximize and Close buttons glow when your cursor passes over them. There’s now a keystroke (Alt+up arrow) to open the current folder’s parent window, the one that contains it.

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TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: microsoft; operatingsystems; review; vista
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To: Central Scrutiniser
I'm going to Asia in Feb., by then pirated versions will be out. Will be worth the $5 for it.

they are already on the net... look around...

61 posted on 12/14/2006 8:40:17 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Central Scrutiniser

Vista RTM has already been released, and leaked....


62 posted on 12/14/2006 8:40:55 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon

Yeah, but I've never gone wrong with a program from Panthip Plaza.

But, I'll go legit if I buy a laptop and get the discs via the new coupon promotion.

As for Microsoft Office? Its dead, I'd rather use Open Office, and its free (and better).


63 posted on 12/14/2006 8:43:40 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

I just wanted to see what the final version was like, I don't like pirated stuff anyhow.. i'm gonna get the real deal when its available.(its good) the beta versions were eating memory like crazy this final version seems really good.


64 posted on 12/14/2006 8:46:24 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Central Scrutiniser

AVG Free Anti-Virus also works on Vista.... Same for Paint.net(photo editor) Zip Genuis.it 7(free winrar/winzip program) will be Vista compatible... pretty sweet deals...


65 posted on 12/14/2006 8:48:53 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon

I still can't get AVG to work on my system after a nasty virus attack. I've killed the virus (thanks to the free services of tomcoyote.com), but it won't install anymore.

I am running a crappy one calle avira, and I replaced my mobo and it has its own firewall that is better than most out there.


66 posted on 12/14/2006 8:53:52 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
hmmm... have you tried the services of "format c:" ? ;)

but seriously, I'd use gparted then reinstall a fresh image its much quicker. :P

67 posted on 12/14/2006 9:01:22 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Central Scrutiniser

www.majorgeeks.com may have some free things to help you out...


68 posted on 12/14/2006 9:02:16 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon

I'm running a free one in XP Pro, when I get my Vista, I'll switch back to AVG, I find it to be the best free one out there.

I just want DX10 and a compatible card for Flight Sim.

I just bought a 46 inch LCD HDTV, my computer will send out a 1080i signal to the TV, it looks amazing.


69 posted on 12/14/2006 9:08:41 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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To: Echo Talon
" it is better than WinXP "

How?

How is being slower than XP (unless you turn off the advanced graphics, and sometimes even then), better?

How is having Wordpad in Vista unable to open the same MS Word files that can be opened by XP's Wordpad, "better?"

How is a larger, more bloated OS "better" at reducing downtime, reboots, and OS errors?

How is being unable to save the stocks in your stock ticker, "better?"

How is being inconsistent in screen command button placement, "better?"

70 posted on 12/14/2006 9:14:49 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

have you used it? ok, I have and am... it is.


71 posted on 12/14/2006 9:16:35 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon

The questions were all "How" is it better in each instance.

Just claiming that it "is" better is useless fluff.

Be specific or give it up.


72 posted on 12/14/2006 9:30:22 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Echo Talon
And have you noticed that no one is even talking about "Zune" any longer after I told you that MS blew the console platform with major gaffs such as requiring a wire for the "wireless" device?!

Oh, here's one article on Zune: "at the Virgin Megastore in New York's Times Square two circular displays sporting Zune players with earphones attached were unmanned that morning, save for store employees restocking supplies." http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2059178,00.asp

73 posted on 12/14/2006 9:36:21 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Zakeet
This article makes it sound like Vista is trying to be Mac OSX for the mainstream market. Frankly, that sucks.

Looks: Get rid of 'em. I've got almost all the graphical nonsense in XP turned off, and I imagine I'll have to do the same in Vista. For people who are actually trying to accomplish tasks rather than look at pretty screens for the sake of pretty screens (e.g. tech writers), spending $500 for a graphics card and waiting for your computer to render your fancy 3D elements is simply wasted time. I don't need my Word document or Outlook task to be 6-axis rotatable - I need it to pop up, show me what I need to see, and get out of my way fast when I'm done with it. All the "pretty" nonsense is a huge turnoff for OSX and it'll be a bigger turnoff when it's in an operating system that I'll actually have to use.

Locks: Whatever. I'm 100% secure on my XP Pro system, even running as admin (which I will admit I'd rather not have to do, except it is much more convenient). Every XP system ever can be made equally secure for free; MS could even make it easy by releasing a patch to make the config changes necessary. If ever I got too worried about something nasty making its way across the Internet, I can lock everything down and pop open a VMWare machine. Granted, the free machines are Linux and therefore a relatively large pain to configure, but less so than learning a whole new OS for everything as opposed to just learning how to set up a browser and firewall.

Lacks: Sounds like they missed out on doing things that tech writers would love but people who care only about productivity aren't interested in. The "gadgets" or "widgets" don't work right? Whatever. Waste of time and space in OSX, and I'm sure I'd get rid of them as soon as I could in Vista too. Slide shows don't have music? Well, that's certainly going to kill my productivity. </sarc> Who even cares about Wordpad? The whole planet already has Office. And there are even free alternatives for it. Oddly, the article fails to mention WinFS, which was the one legitimate performance-enhancing addition to Vista that intrigued me and yet got left on the cutting room floor.

Overall, it sounds like they tried to "Mac-ize" Windows, rather than improve the areas in which Windows is strong and leave (as another poster put it) the "Starbucks triple-hoity latte" features to the alternative OSs. For my company, I'll just be buying a couple extra XP licenses over the holidays to ride that out as long as I can.

74 posted on 12/14/2006 9:40:51 PM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Echo Talon
I'm using the latest and greatest as we speak... lets just say Redmond is fine.

I take it you didn't read the recent articles about gross inefficiencies in their development process.

Good for you using the latest and greatest though. You're now not completely in the dust compared to OS X, but prepare to fall much further behind in a few months.

75 posted on 12/14/2006 10:04:46 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: avg_freeper
I'd like to know if they're still going to release powershell/monad.

It's out, but I haven't had time to play with it yet, so I have no opinion.

76 posted on 12/14/2006 10:06:27 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Southack
I don't listen to much music, i;d personally rather have a smart phone that can play music, take pictures/video voice record, text message/email, phone... ipod is lame. The Erricson is better.

something like this

77 posted on 12/14/2006 10:08:17 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Turbopilot
XP is fine for some companies(hell I see machines with windows 3.1 on them still... ) if it's enough to get the jobs done...

New systems will start coming with Vista and I'm starting to dig it. I will be buying it come January 30th.

78 posted on 12/14/2006 10:13:47 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Turbopilot
For people who are actually trying to accomplish tasks rather than look at pretty screens for the sake of pretty screens (e.g. tech writers), spending $500 for a graphics card and waiting for your computer to render your fancy 3D elements is simply wasted time.

This isn't a problem with the idea, but a problem with Microsoft's implementation. The gee-whiz eye candy on OS X is rendered by even the embedded Intel 950 graphics chipset that ships with the low-end Macs.

Whatever. I'm 100% secure on my XP Pro system, even running as admin (which I will admit I'd rather not have to do, except it is much more convenient)

Again, a Microsoft problem. Unix (of which OS X is a variant) lets you do pretty much everything you need without having root ("Administrator" in Windows).

79 posted on 12/14/2006 10:14:45 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Richard Kimball

The "Taller than Mickey Rooney Award"? You can be very short and still win.


80 posted on 12/14/2006 10:17:00 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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