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The death of manliness
Worldnet Daily ^ | October 5, 2006 | Hans Zeiger

Posted on 10/05/2006 2:33:23 PM PDT by fgoodwin

The death of manliness

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52283

Posted: October 5, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern

Mark Foley is a sick man in a sick culture. He apparently was abused by a priest as a child, and then he, too, abused House pages (how extensively is uncertain) before it ruined him. By the way, as his attorney affirmed on Tuesday, Mark Foley "is a gay man."

Aside from the political tides generated by Foley's resignation, there are much larger cultural tsunamis swashing round.

The Foley scandal intensifies the strain on relationships between youth and adults. It is particularly damaging for relations between old men and young men, or between men and boys, or between young men and boys. Not only must we be concerned by the crusty old man getting too close with the delicate young lady, we must now be appalled by a male congressman who sets friendly terms with his male page. Where once a fraternal fellowship was revered in the rise and passage of generations, there is a gap. We must be suspect of a man who wishes to spend time with youth in our age, because he is likely out for abduction.

But why must we be suspicious of men in this age more than in others? Because related immediately to the problem between adults and youth is the problem of homosexuality.

When pedophilia became an insurance problem for the Boy Scouts of America two decades ago, the organization began to institute layers of regulations, including a requirement that two adult leaders be present at all troop activities. Adult leader background checks, sex abuse training programs, separate shower hours at Scout camps and separate tenting requirements were enacted and enforced.

The Boy Scouts insist that their policies banning homosexuals and their policies to prevent pedophilia are separate, but there is an evident link between homosexuality and pedophilia. When I made this claim on Penn and Teller's Showtime Network program, Penn Gillette shot back with a mountain of profanity, because there really can be no substantial answer to the charge.

Men who determine to have sex with other men find an easy target with boys. Homosexuality is a violation of natural law; there are no cultural regulations for it once the practice is made acceptable; boys in the process of solidifying their identity as men are vulnerable to sexual perversions of all sorts. In the absence of manliness – of strength, virtue, courage – men find open seasons for gratification, and then boys find an open route to Gomorrah, especially if that route is advertised enthusiastically by a conspiracy of cultural influences. The route then is a rout – from marriage, from family, from community, and not least from God.

Told by the homosexual activists that much of the population is of an alternative orientation, traditionally minded Americans often reply that the proportion is surely much smaller. But then we've taken the terms of the homosexual activists. In fact, there is no orientation but one, and there are no gender identities but two; men are meant to be men and women to be women. It is not merely that there are fewer persons of homosexual orientation, but that there are none. Homosexuality may well grow and expand if things continue as they have, not because closet doors are being flung, but because manliness is being flung.

Thus lies manhood perverted on the grounds of the nation. It knows no purpose. It cannot defend itself; it cannot defend the ladies. Uninstructed in beauty and maturity, it preys upon innocence and childhood. But it is castrated. The best it knows to do is to check itself, like Mark Foley, into a clinic in hopes of some recovery. But real manliness does not dwell within a rehab center, or in Congress, and just where it does dwell is now a challenge to know. The simple quiet of manliness is drowned by the metallic screams and the roars and the hideous emotive sighs of deranged wimps, if indeed it is manliness down there beneath it all.

If manliness is finished in America, America is finished. But if real men are still making their struggle toward the surface, it can't be long before manliness – heroic, honorable, bold – makes a comeback.


TOPICS: Religion; Society
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1 posted on 10/05/2006 2:33:25 PM PDT by fgoodwin
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To: fgoodwin
What is said here is so important but will garnish few replies. No one knows what to do. My wife and I talk about the public schools hatred of boys. Contempt for maleness. Revulsion to anything masculine. But most lack a rhetoric to challenge it.

So we homeschool.

2 posted on 10/05/2006 5:33:34 PM PDT by Paine's Ghost
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To: fgoodwin

No fifty year old men like 17-18 year old girls? Or vice versa? Why is this a "homosexual problem?"


3 posted on 10/05/2006 5:45:29 PM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: Paine's Ghost
Revulsion to anything masculine. But most lack a rhetoric to challenge it.

They could start by learning the word "misandry."

Current Google hits for "misogyny": about 1,970,000
Current Google hits for "misandry": about 108,000

It seems to be a word that our culture has difficulty learning.

4 posted on 10/05/2006 6:37:10 PM PDT by TChad
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To: TChad
It seems to be a word that our culture has difficulty learning.

Its tough, 'cause as soon as someone complains about it others bust their chops for being a 'wimp'. Its ironic.

5 posted on 10/05/2006 6:44:36 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: valkyrieanne
That's a slippery slope I would prefer not go down.

Are you prepared, in the spirit of Truth, to not do or enable the same?

I cannot speak for other men. But I know what is wrong.

Do you?
6 posted on 10/05/2006 7:24:59 PM PDT by Alyosha3 (alyosha3)
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To: fgoodwin
"But real manliness does not dwell within a rehab center, or in Congress, and just where it does dwell is now a challenge to know."

If you have to ask, you'll never know the answer.

7 posted on 10/05/2006 7:37:15 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (If the "enemy of your enemy" is Ghengis Khan, Ghengis Khan is not your friend.)
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To: skeeter
Its tough, 'cause as soon as someone complains about it others bust their chops for being a 'wimp'.

That can happen, but fear of being labeled a wimp can also be used as an excuse for self-censorship. Americans just seem unable to squarely confront misandry, though it is a common form of bigotry. When the subject is raised, discussion ends. I don't understand why.

BTW the Free Republic spell checker flags "misandry" as misspelled.

8 posted on 10/05/2006 11:17:28 PM PDT by TChad
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To: fgoodwin

...Again, we care not for our children...


9 posted on 10/06/2006 8:38:33 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: valkyrieanne
I spent some time over on the DU GLBT group. They seem somewhat sympathetic to Foley. The argument is that the kids were of legal age in DC but that he was wrong to use his position of power to influence them. They posted this defense is several times.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x41511

They are correct in that Foley was not engaged in pedophilia. The pages were hardly prepubescent. Other then the power difference, they saw nothing wrong, age difference notwithstanding.

10 posted on 10/06/2006 9:18:00 AM PDT by Paine's Ghost
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To: valkyrieanne
No fifty year old men like 17-18 year old girls? Or vice versa? Why is this a "homosexual problem?"

And that is an excellent example of what the author is trying to say. Our culture has rules for relationships between men and women. Few tolerate a 50 yr. old man hitting on a 16 yr. old girl. We send them to prison. When Gerry Studds took a 17 yr. old boy to Europe for a sexual escapade, he was rewarded with reelection multiple times.

In England there was a referendum to lower the age of consent for gay boys to 14, stating that they we more sexualized then straight young men. I don't think it past. But in gay circles, most of the sexual moors that we take for granted do not apply.

Straight healthy sex culminates after a friendship evolves to love and is the celebration of that relationship. Ultimately, it brings about a family.
Gay sex is about sexual gratification.

11 posted on 10/06/2006 9:36:25 AM PDT by Paine's Ghost
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To: Paine's Ghost
Our culture has rules for relationships between men and women. Few tolerate a 50 yr. old man hitting on a 16 yr. old girl. We send them to prison.

Not always - in some states, with parental consent, they get married. Is it the age difference, or the outside-of-marriage, promiscuous sex that's the problem? Perhaps our society needs to rethink its objections to marriage of 16-19 year olds.

12 posted on 10/06/2006 9:56:40 AM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: valkyrieanne

That is just the point. You and I are arguing about the "rules". The framework and rules don't exist in the homosexual community. Don't confuse cultural values with laws. We are far more influenced by cultural "rules" then by laws.


13 posted on 10/06/2006 10:24:05 AM PDT by Paine's Ghost
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