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Desktop Linux breakthrough: Lenovo preloads SUSE on ThinkPad
Desktop Linux ^ | Aug. 04, 2006 | Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Posted on 08/04/2006 8:27:36 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing

On August 4th, we found out that Lenovo Group, the company that has taken over IBM's Personal Computing Division, had made a deal with Novell Inc. to preload SLED 10 (SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop) on its ThinkPad T60p mobile workstation.

For the first time, a major OEM (original equipment manufacturer) has committed to preloading a Linux desktop.

(Excerpt) Read more at desktoplinux.com ...


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To: antiRepublicrat
I'm just never buying a PC again.

You just said above absolutes never work.

161 posted on 08/09/2006 3:16:34 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle

If you REALLY wanted to "go American" you'd have been "Bald Eagle". But, then, perhaps the "bald" part is just a bit too humble for you.

Frankly, I doubt it's nearly as much your stated position as it is your "biggest schlong on the stud lot" attitude that's drawing you flak around here. If you could make your case without the "and I crap bigger than you, too" part, you'd get better results, and FR would be that much imporved for it.

As for the others, I don't see anyone aorund here "pimping" LINUX. I see several who use it regularly, enjoy doing so, and take a great deal of pleasure in discussing it with others who share the intertest. Perhaps, since you obviously do not share the interest, you might just buzz off and quit annoying the Hell out of everyone with your overbearingly imperious and down-the-nose derisions.

Reading your posts, I can't help thinking that, somewhere, a Microsoft forum is missing it's Geek-In-Chief.


162 posted on 08/09/2006 3:18:43 PM PDT by HKMk23 (TAG! You're IT!)
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To: HKMk23

I'm pretty sure "bald eagle" was already taken when I first came to this site. There were lots of different "Eagles" back then, now they're all pretty much gone. There used to even be a saying, all types of posters used a lot back then, when most every thread actually mattered.

"EAGLES UP!"

Up and away, unfortunately, with all the liberals and internationists now here slinging mud constantly. But I can take it, so long as the truth about these foreign companies like "Lenovo" gets to come out, it's well worth it.


163 posted on 08/09/2006 3:23:57 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Even then, the fully-functional 386BSD released in '92-'93 would have probably eclipsed the fledgling barely-capable Linux at the time had it not been for the lawsuit.

Yes there have been a lot of lawsuits unfortunatey with open source, that's really where all the lawsuits started with software. Mostly just guys trying to keep from their property being stolen. I know your version of events is that the intellectual property belongs to the people, it was all given away to them and giving our property away is the superior way of life, which justifies the hidden gotchas in place like the GPL. But since that's not really reality, what's the latest on that patent lawsuit against Red Hat?

164 posted on 08/09/2006 3:32:07 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle
"LOL when?"

A whole thread devoted to a new desktop release of BSD (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1460245/posts)

"And why aren't you using it?"

Because Solid / Secure does not equal usable (as evidenced by Microsoft Windows) I believe BSD is far more solid than Linux but not as usable.
165 posted on 08/09/2006 3:44:00 PM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: N3WBI3
I believe BSD is far more solid than Linux

But you only post on it once a lifetime, but post on Linux constantly? Why not support the American product, since you admit it is more "solid" anyway? Why choose Stallman's and Torvald's product instead?

166 posted on 08/09/2006 4:03:26 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle
When I see BSD news I post it, when I see OpenSolaris news I post it, and when I see Linux news I post it..
167 posted on 08/09/2006 4:36:01 PM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: N3WBI3

So the liberal media makes all your decisions for you. Got it.


168 posted on 08/09/2006 4:45:04 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: HKMk23
Brass Buzzard? I like that. "BB" for short. Fitting.

Indeed. It is quite fitting for our resident troll. Unfortunately, I can't claim to have originated it. Can't remember who did, but I'm sure it was one of the fine folks on this thread. 

169 posted on 08/09/2006 4:49:40 PM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: zeugma

Yep name calling is all you boys have, calling Eagles buzzards while you pimp your chicom pc's. Go right ahead, it makes my points perfectly.


170 posted on 08/09/2006 5:07:44 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle

Well, look. I don't have any argument with you about the hardware apsects of the Lenovo deal; I'm as leery as can be about all of the goodies we're transferring over to the Red Chinese these days. If they wanted to kill our economy, all they'd have to do is just turn off the spigot and refuse to ship anything to U.S. markets. We'd go tits up inside of two weeks even with the remaining sources outside of China. That kind of move would throttle the technology markets and wreak unimaginable havoc on our economy; we'd all really feel a huge and very financially painful bite.

And, to hit upon another point you've raised more than once, I'll stand up and agree with you that, while they do a booming business, many of the foreign-made products found at WAL-MART are NOT peers of their more hardily constructed domestic counterparts; small appliances in particular. Alot of that stuff is new today and trash tomorrow. Despite all that, I'm still not for running them outta town. Let them compete. Let people send good money after bad once or twice; it's educational. When that new Shanghai waffle iron craps out 91 days after purchase, the owner will very likely realize that he's been gypped and think twice about getting another one like it. Their next purchase will likely be a brand of higher quality, bought from a store that sells higher quality; not WAL-MART.

Another aspect of it all bothers me, too. My grandfather wrenched on Fords at a Fullerton, CA dealership for 42 years. When he started, they would rebuild batteries right on the bench. Magneto gone bad? No problem. He'd tear it down and rebuild it right there in the shop. Those days were long gone before he finally retired. He'd say of modern mechanics, "They're not mechanics, they're just parts replacers." In his mind, a mechanic fixed what was broken and you didn't toss an entire assembly into the scrap bin on account of one internal piece being cracked.

Now, we do far worse; we commonly toss out things that are entirely functional simply bacause there's a newer, better, more gee-whiz product on the market that does exactly the same thing. Ours isn't broken, but BOY we've got to have that new one. We create heaping mountains of scrap for the sheer gratification of having something new. Our forebears who came through the Great Depression would be completely dumbfounded. They wouldn't even know how to begin getting their minds around that kind of thinking, it's so antithetical to what they learned at the school of hard knocks.

Part of the answer, of course, is for domestic manufacturers to settle for no less than real, solid, quality and for consumers to value their money enough that they won't fork it over for inferior-grade junk. Unfortunately, that's nearly impossible in an adolescent-minded society that idolizes 'bling', and rap, and thinks scoring some sex is the pinnacle of human existence. In that climate, you just can't teach something as mundane as the value of a buck and make it stick.

Which brings me back to the point at hand: the software side of the Lenovo deal. As long as people are willing to pay to engage the level of geekdom required to run a box under LINUX, let 'em. Bill's not losing any sleep over it, why should you? These LINUX distros aren't all freebies, anymore. More and more entities -- foreign and domestic -- are packaging and selling their own 'brand' of LINUX for profit. And just like kitchen appliances, if there are versions that suck, they'll be forced by the market to either improve or be replaced by aomeone else's product. You want people to buy them from domestic sources? Well, then let those domestic sources prove their worth in the open market and you'll have your wish.

If it takes patronizing a foreign establishment to get the domestic manufacturer to devote real energy to quality, then that's just hard, cold reality. It's been working in the auto industry and it'll work in any other. I'm not going to mollycoddle anyone just because their address is in the U.S., and neither should anyone else. Producers had better be making QUALITY products or they're not getting a dime from me. In FACT, if their address IS in the U.S. and they're NOT producing top-notch quality, then shame on 'em! Perhaps they oughta be fined for giving domestic manufacturers a bad name. Well, market forces ensure that they will be; they won't get a great deal of business until they improve.

At the end of the day, folks just want their computer to do the jobs they intend for it to do. If they can achieve that goal using LINUX, more power to 'em. I'm an XP Pro guy, myself, but I really got burned when I ran into the multi-step, do-it-this-way-or-your-O/S-is-dead-meat process for replacing a failed hard drive. As a consumer, I care about getting "genuine" software when that's what I paid for, but the measures utilized to guarantee that genuineness had better be minimal or invisible to me as a user. Like the VIN number on my car; if it's gotta be there, fine, just put it where it's not in my face. Don't aske me to type it in correctly every time I change a headlamp, and don't EVEN force me to call the automaker for a new ingition code. If my car worked like XP, changing the spark plugs without first getting the "amen" from the ignition computer would leave me with a car that wouldn't start. That's flatly unacceptable, and it ISN'T "quality". Not in my book, anyway; not the kind of quality you've been espousing, not the kind I demand, nor the kind anyone else should have to settle for.

And, come time for my next upgrade, ol' Bill's going to have some stiff competition at my house.


171 posted on 08/09/2006 6:04:25 PM PDT by HKMk23 (TAG! You're IT!)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Here's the thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1539488/posts?q=1&&page=1 The admission comes in posts 61-80, but I posted the whole thread so all could see.

It's the same thread where sam_paine absolutely nailed him at the end of the thread and he cluelessly accepted it as a compliment. That post is referenced in the Lie List. Hilarious.


173 posted on 08/09/2006 6:23:31 PM PDT by FLAMING DEATH
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To: sam_paine

courtesy bump.


174 posted on 08/09/2006 6:25:05 PM PDT by FLAMING DEATH
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To: HKMk23
Well, look. I don't have any argument with you about the hardware apsects of the Lenovo deal; I'm as leery as can be about all of the goodies we're transferring over to the Red Chinese these days.

Then why were you calling me a buzzard?

And, to hit upon another point you've raised more than once, I'll stand up and agree with you that, while they do a booming business, many of the foreign-made products found at WAL-MART are NOT peers of their more hardily constructed domestic counterparts; small appliances in particular. Alot of that stuff is new today and trash tomorrow.

Amazing, someone is finally speaking the truth. Besides me.

we commonly toss out things that are entirely functional simply bacause there's a newer, better, more gee-whiz product on the market that does exactly the same thing. Ours isn't broken, but BOY we've got to have that new one. We create heaping mountains of scrap for the sheer gratification of having something new.

The tech worshipers are the worst, they're attracted to tech because it has such a high turnover of product in the first place. As you can see some of them would probably give body parts if not their eternal soul for some new gizmo or feature, no matter who or where it happened to come from.

Which brings me back to the point at hand: the software side of the Lenovo deal. As long as people are willing to pay to engage the level of geekdom required to run a box under LINUX, let 'em. Bill's not losing any sleep over it, why should you? These LINUX distros aren't all freebies, anymore. More and more entities -- foreign and domestic -- are packaging and selling their own 'brand' of LINUX for profit.

I appreciate your respectful post, and can give you easy answers. First, Linux is a foreign clone of Unix built by a guy who didn't want to pay for US products, and wanted to turn our software industry on its head, which thankfully has not yet happened. But Unix is originally an American product, American products are older and more mature, and are now available for free too. Why use the foreign fake, when the original US products are available to you?

Also, Linux is actually in every current case being distributed for free, no matter how many hooks US companies may be trying to add into it. They have to give it away for free because of its license, which is why a country like China has taken the Red Hat modifications to Linux, stripped the labeling off, renamed them "Red Flag", and can and then does sell them without a penny back to Red Hat. If you're concerned about trade imbalances with China, you should be furious about them profitting off of our work for free.

And it's not just Linux I'm concerned about, I'm concerned about all software licensed by leftist fanatic Richard Stallman, known as GPL software. Stallman is "the father of free software", and lists on his website his "ultimate goal is to make proprietary software obsolete". He wants to destroy the value of intellectual property, and believes in a "software tax" to help manage the supposedly "free software". If you detest leftists as do I, he should be high on your list.

If it takes patronizing a foreign establishment to get the domestic manufacturer to devote real energy to quality, then that's just hard, cold reality. It's been working in the auto industry and it'll work in any other. I'm not going to mollycoddle anyone just because their address is in the U.S., and neither should anyone else. Producers had better be making QUALITY products or they're not getting a dime from me.

Surely you're not inferring there are no American automobiles worthy of your purchase. Just because foreign competition keeps US businesses on their toes doesn't mean you and me should actually be buying foreign automobiles. Aren't there enough liberals and foreigners already here in this country to do that for us?

As a consumer, I care about getting "genuine" software when that's what I paid for, but the measures utilized to guarantee that genuineness had better be minimal or invisible to me as a user. Like the VIN number on my car; if it's gotta be there, fine, just put it where it's not in my face. Don't aske me to type it in correctly every time I change a headlamp, and don't EVEN force me to call the automaker for a new ingition code.

Then crude Unix or Linux is definitely not for you. Stick with Windows XP, or get a Mac. Buy American, support Americans, support US intellectual property laws, get a superior product, and help defend the turf from the foreign onslaught. Where's the supposed downside, other than you paid for something actually worth paying for.

175 posted on 08/09/2006 6:52:45 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

Obviously, he was agreeing with me that Americans have basically no choice in some markets such as TV's but to buy foreign products, hence why I have a Sony TV. Somehow you take that as a reason to celebrate, and even repost it gleefully. You'll probably even throw a party if all US car manufacturers get bought out by foreign companies, like Chrysler already has been.


176 posted on 08/09/2006 7:01:16 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle
Pathetic posts, even for you...

There are plenty of non partisan technical blogs and news sources on the web..
177 posted on 08/09/2006 7:21:11 PM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: Golden Eagle; ShadowAce
You thouroughly deserve every bit of name-calling youget around here troll. You are nothing but a useless disruptor who lifes to crap in outher folk's space.

I believe antirepublicrat nailed it earlier: " You really are more like them (Stallmanites) than we are."

I use Linux at work because it provides my employer with the most bang for their buck because it makes me a much more efficient worker than I could ever be with any version of MS-Windows. I use the term "MS-Windows" advisedly because Microsoft's pitiful version of windowing is a pale comparison even to obvious kludges like X-windows. At least with X-windows, with all it's known faults I can actually make use of the "windowing" aspect of the environment to a full extent, meaning I can access them remotely to perform exactly the work I need on a per-system basis on an as-needed basis without having to load up all the rest of the entire environment along with it. 

To give a concrete example of how this might be useful for some folks, consider the following situation: we have reports from a user saying that they can't access our website from a remote location. They are accessing the site from the internet. When I test it from work, I'm not passing through our firewalls the same way an external user is. The site may very well work for me. I also have special firewall rules for my workstation to grant me access that other folks, even on the same internal network cannot get. This makes any testing
I do internally for the particular reported problem at least somewhat problematic. In order to test the issue, I merely ssh to my box at home, export Firefox back, and then access the website from the browser. When I'm using the browser in this way, it works just as if I were sitting at home in my office. By doing it this way, I can securely test this and other similar network issues without having all the overhead of an entire remote desktop, like you have to do with MS-Windows systems, because still to this very day, they haven't left the single-user-per-desktop paradign.

Sure, you can open a remote desktop, but then you are also getting a whole bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with the problem at hand.

I prefre to be able to attack problems with the tools I need for the job, at my discretion, not whatever some bozo in Redmond decided I need. It's not a religion, it's not a political statement. It's a matter of what works and what best suits the job at hand. I bazooka is not a useful tool in the field when you want to take down a deer. I'd prefer to have a .308 handy so the job can be dispatched with the minimum of muss and fuss.

You are a MS-windows religious fanatic, much like Stallman who insists that only his vision is right for us all.

I don't care one bit if other people use MS-Windows, OSX, or OS2 for that matter (yeah, there are still die-hard OS2ers out there). Use what works for you. Use what suits your needs.

I believe you made some disparaging comments to Shadowace earlier about posting Linux threads or Mac threads. Well, if you actually take a look at the threads he and others of us post, we post what actually concerns and interests us, and that we think will interest others. When a major bugfix for Firefox comes out, we post it. We're not trying to hide any flaws that may exist in the product. We post it because it will be of general interest to other users of Firefox, or those who might be using another browser and aren't aware of alternatives. Similarly, we post good things about OSX, good and bad, because only with more information can people make informed decisions.

With you, it's just a matter of crapping in everyone elses yard. You add nothing substantial to discussions, you hijack threads away from the intended subject, and you're generally a really annoying individual to be around. I imagine that you have few friends, and thus should probably feel sorry for you. I guess it is a failing of mine as a Christian that I don't.

If you would actually participate in the forum rather than try to execute some misguided jihad against those of us who don't share your particular religion of Microsoft worshop, you might find that people wouldn't be quite as nasty to you.

A few weeks ago, you actually made a couple of constructive posts to a thread. Did you notice that everyone was more civil when you were acting like a human being rather than a troll?

To the rest of the forum, I apologize for the rant, but the troll is getting on my nerves this evening.

178 posted on 08/09/2006 8:16:53 PM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: HKMk23

Well said, and I agree wholeheartedly. Thanks for the post.


179 posted on 08/09/2006 8:21:35 PM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: antiRepublicrat

i meant to ping you on the previous most as you were mentioned. this will have to suffice.


180 posted on 08/09/2006 8:24:28 PM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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