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To: lentulusgracchus
What the hell do you mean, "absolute lie"?

I mean completely untrue. Absolutely false. A total canard. Davis appointed a commission with the expressed purpose of establishing relations between nations. In short, an ultimatum to accept the legitimacy of the southern actions. No other outcome was open for discussion. An end to secession was not on the table. And if Lincoln had surrendered to southern demands then there was a vague offer to settle "all questions of disagreement". Nothing specific, nothing concrete, no offer to take care of the south's portion of the debt or guarantee access down the Mississippi. If the Union had accepted the Southern demands and recognized the legitimacy of the Southern secession then what leverage did they have to get the south to do anything? None, at all. The time to settle "questions of dsagreement" was before secession and not as an afterthought.

399 posted on 08/21/2006 4:39:09 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
I mean completely untrue. Absolutely false. A total canard.

No, it isn't. The topic was debt. Debt was on the menu. It's wrong of you to say I lied, unless debt was never up for consideration.

And it's really rich of you so to say, considering that Lincoln wouldn't even talk to those people, not even the Virginia commissioners who came to talk to him before Sumter. They finally got to see him, but by then he had his war, and he was no longer interested in peace, but in beating down the South. Which I tend to believe was his entire (secret) platform.

An end to secession was not on the table.

Should it have been? And anyway, we were talking about the national debt.

And if Lincoln had surrendered to southern demands then there was a vague offer to settle "all questions of disagreement".

Pretty damn vague, because Lincoln wouldn't talk to them, period.

Nothing specific, nothing concrete, no offer to take care of the south's portion of the debt or guarantee access down the Mississippi. If the Union had accepted the Southern demands and recognized the legitimacy of the Southern secession then what leverage did they have to get the south to do anything?

Lincoln was starting a war, and you're complaining about "leverage"? You need to get over yourself.

400 posted on 08/21/2006 4:56:14 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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