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To: thebaron512; Clemenza
So Fort Sumner was no longer located in the USA and they were requested to leave, but refused. Sounds like the Federal Government was looking to start a fight to me.

In fact the Union troops were first located at Ft. Moultrie on Sullivan's Island. The Confederacy was in Negotiations with the U.S. when Capt. Anderson moved his troops under the dark of night out to Ft. Sumter (a nonviolent act of Aggression) and then the U.S. tried to reinforce the fort by ship. Another nonviolent act of aggression. Yes the Feds were looking for a fight and provoked the South till it had no choice. It still could have ended right their, but Lincoln called for 75,000 volunteers, and then invaded the sovereign borders of Virginia.
232 posted on 06/15/2006 6:28:09 AM PDT by smug (Tanstaafl)
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To: smug

> Yes the Feds were looking for a fight and provoked the South till it had no choice.

Yes the Branch Davidians were looking for a fight and provoked the FedGov till it had no choice.

Yes the Ruby Ridger's were looking for a fight and provoked the FedGov till it had no choice.


248 posted on 06/15/2006 6:50:33 AM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: smug; thebaron512
The ONLY nation to recognize the South as a sovereign nation was the Vatican, and that happened after Sumter.

I can claim my block as the Federal Republic of Fredonia, but that doesn't make it so.

258 posted on 06/15/2006 7:13:03 AM PDT by Clemenza (The CFR ate my bilderburgers! Time to call for a trilateral commission to investigate!)
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To: smug
In fact the Union troops were first located at Ft. Moultrie on Sullivan's Island.

Anderson commanded all the army facilities in the Charleston area. That included Fort Sumter.

The Confederacy was in Negotiations with the U.S. when Capt. Anderson moved his troops under the dark of night out to Ft. Sumter (a nonviolent act of Aggression) and then the U.S. tried to reinforce the fort by ship.

There was no confederacy when Anderson moved his men to Sumter, only South Carolina had announced secession. Likewise there was no agreement preventing Anderson's move. Buchanan had agreed not to reinforce if the South Carolina forces agreed not to take over any federal property, and agreement they themselves violated by seizing Moultrie, Castle Pinkney, and the Charleson armory. Since the agreement had been violated, Buchanan's actions in trying to resupply and reinforce Sumter broke no agreement.

Yes the Feds were looking for a fight and provoked the South till it had no choice.

How did they provoke? They took no hostile actions, fired on no South Carolina targets, did not interfere with shipping in to and out of Charleston? What form did this provocation take?

It still could have ended right their, but Lincoln called for 75,000 volunteers, and then invaded the sovereign borders of Virginia.

That's like saying it could have ended there but Roosevelt had to declare war over Pearl Harbor.

297 posted on 06/15/2006 8:37:47 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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