TEEN WAS SEEN WITH NATALEE-HOTEL TAPE SHOWS ARGUMENT WITH MYSTERY MAN

New York Post ^ | 4-18-06

[floridaobserver]

According to what Holloway's friends have told authorities, the blond-haired, blue-eyed van Cromvoirt was seen with their classmate after she left van der Sloot - the pals say they saw them in the Holiday Inn casino together. But when the casino's video surveillance tapes were turned over to police, investigators could find no sign of Holloway and van Cromvoirt, the source noted.

Van Cromvoirt's father is the security expert in charge of video surveillance at the hotel.

Aruban authorities are also scrutinizing a surveillance tape taken earlier on May 30 that shows Holloway arguing with a light-haired young man in a jewelry store in the Wyndham Hotel, according to the source.

They're trying to determine if the man is van Cromvoirt.

A source said police records indicate that "Natalee told her mom and others she was in love with a blond-haired, blue-eyed Dutch kid."

Holloway's mother assumed the youth was van der Sloot, though he has darker hair.

[Burkean]

Yeah, I wondered why some of those girls didn't have more tales to tell about who Natalee might have been running around with. Male DNA was found on her toothbrush back at the hotel room that she shared with some girls, but I never heard any interest in trying to figure out whose it was. Didn't these girls get together and talk/brag about their vacation exploits?

[FR_addict]

The Natalee index at this site:
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewforum.php?f=8&sid=261a2d59619375108e6de00d0ccc56b2

About the 12 post down has a picture and artilce of the security shirt that was taken about the 8th day of Natalee's disappearance:
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=828&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1000

New Arrest Part one:
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=828

This has a summary of events-- post 2
Not everything is proven in the summary.
Arrest Chapter two:
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=904

FBI statements from Natalee's friends:
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=265&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Dan has a Natalee forum here:
http://www.riehlworldview.com/test_blog/

Photos of the MB kids: http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewforum.php?f=31&sid=f303ffce6f49a137ee79581a28069c76

Harry and Richard's site:
http://www.hyscience.com/

Harry's Natalee's articles and comments that follow
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/natalee_holloway/

Another site with mostly Dutch and Arubans:
http://www.freedomofblog.com/view_forum.php?id=29

[SlowBoat407]

Artist's recreation of the teens arguing.

[surrey]

Very puzzling indeed. I always wondered why, it was that ,Natalee seemed to be the object of attention when some of these other girls are far more attractive.

[StolarStorm]

Maybe the other girls were a little more conservative and stayed together.

[FR_addict]

I thought he was more than likely guilty too in the beginning. It wasn't until I was run off the Natalee thread did I find out a lot of info that hasn't been reported. I was run off for defending others and saying that there wasn't enough evidence against Joran. I defended citizenM whose own son was shot by an unknown assailant. He is still alive, but blind. She could not identify with Beth, even though she had a similar thing happen to her.

I believe in innocent until proven guilty, but the more I hear about Joran I definitely think he is innocent.

Anyway, it is too early to know if this new kid had anything to do with Natalee's disappearance, but I can say this name was mentioned early on in the investigation when the shirt was discovered and his father's security company was contacted. I wonder if VanStratten had stayed on the case, if he would have been checked out more thoroughly in the beginning and other leads followed up like the alleged break-in to Natalee's room or the man who accosted the jogger a few days before Natalee disappeared.

[Mike Darancette]

A source said police records indicate that "Natalee told her mom and others she was in love with a blond-haired, blue-eyed Dutch kid."

I heard Natalee's mom repudiate that statement.

[surrey]

I've felt all along that Natalee was sowing some wild oats. Good girl suddenly finds herself the object of male attention and throws caution to the wind. Could be that Beth is a real control-freak and Nat ,finding herself free of Mom's scrutiny,decides to have some fun. Her friends, it appears,stayed together. Lucky for them.

[bugsplat]

I agree and feel you are correct...

But there are other reasons why a young girl may just want to step out away from the safety of her friends for a moment. We know enough about human behavior to speculate what her reason was, but alas we will never know for certain. I believe her friends know why and they aren't talking.

Natalee may have been a bit of a closet thrill seeker, or someone that was just tired of her friends and their conquests. A young girl away from mom and dad, in a grown up environment, wanting to act old and mature.

I have seen these young girls come in from out of town and they either "pack" together for fun and safety or one might act like the wild maverick of the herd, wanting to seek out on a cute local so that "romance" will happen. Kind of a daredevil that just has to see what she is capable of doing on her own. Alcohol or drugs takes the sanity and judgement out of play. If she succeeds, then she can say "Oh what a story I can tell the others about my trip." "Look what I did and you didn't". Or the fact that she went away without supervision leaves the whole event open for speculation. She could tell them anything.

As we know, "romance" is difficult to have when you "pack" together. So that very night she distanced herself from her friends for a reason. And IMHO, she knew exactly what she wanted to do all day long and acted it out that night.

For whatever reason, she had to take the risk.

Sadly, there are stalkers all over the world. It just takes a bit of poor judgement in some cases (or bad luck) and a sweet little girl is lost forever.

If anything comes out of her loss, I hope to God that other young women will remember her story when they go out into a strange country. This "romance" may have worked in the movie "South Pacific", but today the faces have changed and it isn't Kansas anymore, Toto.

[surrey]

You've hit the nail on the head with that analysis.

[Toespi]

"On the long Natalee thread on this site, I have been condemned to hell and much worse."

I was as well and frankly have not felt the same way about Free Republic since the abuse I received for offering a different point of view. This case has been nothing but rumors because the authorities in Aruba do not discuss evidence with media. Beth Twitty, family and media have been reckless in their conjecture in this case. As an example, I was reading another post in this thread and one poster stated as fact, that Natalee was given a date rape drug from Joran. This was something Beth Twitty offered as to why her daughter left with someone. There is absolutely no evidence that she was given drugs, yet it has been offered time and time again as fact simply because a grieving mother offered it as an explanation as to why she would leave with strangers.

[bugsplat]

Thanks so much...

BTW, it was very easy to see this happen in my own resort town growing up.

My goodness the young kids trying to get away from mom and dad while they were too busy partying, fishing, shopping or whatever....They were so sly and good at it...

The profiles of these types aren't that complex and haven't changed even 30 years later...

It just amazes me how this type of crime doesn't happen more often..with the risks these kids take...

[GarySpFc]

I doubt Van Cromvoirt was trying to save anyone's ass except his own. I believe Joran didnt even know this other kid.

Arubia is far too small for that to be true.

[Froufrou]

I can understand your [for lack of a better word] indignation. This is an opinion forum, as I understand it, and as such your opinions are as valid as anyone's.

I think the whole island is a nasty little den of iniquity and the locals float along like flotsam and jetsum in the sea of life. Too many people have said they were approached to buy drugs on every corner in the place.

I don't see drug enforcement as any bigger a priority there than any other crimes that obviously go on, and with some apparent regularity.

[pamlet]

Hi there!

Toespi - I agree that rumor becomes fact runs RAMPANT on the main Natalee thread...

I pop in now and then - just to see what's happening - tho' I find other sites to be more current with a VARIETY of info .. rather than just what a few people want to discuss.

[FR_addict]

Well, that's where we differ. I would love to go to Aruba. Drugs are all over our streets here too. It's not hard to find drugs in any town in the USA, if you look for them.

Birmingham has had a few drugs busts in the last few weeks and a lot more murders this year.

Both MSNBC and Fox News are reporting that the suspect is being held for criminal offenses and dealing in illegal narcotics. Fox called it drug trafficking.

Someone was buying those drugs.

There was a reason for the Mountain Brook kids to keep quiet about what happened during their trip. The jelly shot (I didn't believe it when I first heard about it) was true. Dave confirmed it in one of his interviews.

Did you read the FBI statements from Natalee's friends? Did you look at the pictures from MB taken before and after Natalee disappeared? Did you look at the kids statements that John Q. Kelley filed for Beth's lawsuit? One of the kids said that Natalee was the "designated driver". Why would underage kids need a designated driver?

We have our own problems here. I don't think the Aruban police handled this case well, mostly because of the pressure from Beth and the media, but I think the new guy is trying to clean it up. Look what happened to Jessica Lunsford. That was certainly a bad investigation where the perp lived next door and her body was finally found a few 100 feet from her family's home.

[partialpressures]

Do you know anything about the security video of Natalee and Geoffrey in jewelry store. 'Rumor' has it they were pawning something.

[pamlet]

I agree! I was just thinkin' when I was in college (3000 - 4000) kids I remember thinking how FEW of the graduates I'd ever SEEN much less KNEW!

I think it's understandable these kids wouldn't know each other if they were in different circles.

[Real Cynic No More]

I think in both. That's what enabled Michael to return home from Sicily.

[Williams]

Its not in the movie, the Don just says he has to bring his son back so he can clear up all these false charges. They never explain how he gets out of that, Michael appears a year or more after his return when he goes to visit Kay.