Posted on 04/07/2006 8:13:21 PM PDT by SK85
How fortunate that there is no "good will" quark in my makeup. Send them home. No amnesty.
Check out my reply here.
Common sense BTTT!
President Bush said the Minutemen are vigilantes.
This is a despicable lie.
President Bush said that they were only doing jobs American will not do.
This is a despicable lie.
President Bush said family values do not stop at the border.
This is somewhat true but to make it completely true we will have to open houses of ill repute outside of every town and city.
This will make their "family values" not stop at the border.
"So you are saying whomever gets into America should not turned back to their nation of origin. They should be rewarded with jobs and sometimes citizenship."
I can turn it around, and say that you're saying America should become a proto-police state, with high taxes to subsidize its deportation police, an entity that beats down the doors of Hispanics and drags Elian Gonzalez-style illegal family members out of the country.
Only provide amnesty to those illegals who plan on becoming patriotic Americans. If you're a foreigner living here illegally and you don't plan on working on some legal visa, then deport. But a blanket deportation of 11 million illegals would not only create a logistics nightmare, that again the pro-deport crowd ravenously ignores addressing, it also would lose so much good will among the (legalized and growing via high birth rate) Hispanic American voter block (after all, it would be their homes that would get their doors kicked in to find those 11 million illegals and hurl them back to Mexico), that such a policy basically concede the next generation of political power to Nancy Pelosi and Hilary Clinton. And God knows what type of legal precedent such a massive and probably violent deportation would create when our political enemies come into power, a precedent they would use to their own advantage.
There are three issues to be dealt with, and not only are these three problems not only NOT mutually inclusive, but their solutions are not mutually inclusive either. 1) Border Security. 2) Future Illegal Immigration. 3.) Current illegals (namely Hispanics) in the U.S. When it comes to priority, issue 1 comes first, because that involves securing this country from future terrorist attack. Issue 2 is important because it refers to recolonization of the U.S., and the sacrifice of American values to foreign values. Issue 3 is important, but by matter of degree, the least of the problems. Americans are firmly entrenched behind the conservative solutions for problems 1 and 2. Those are doable. The Deportation solution for Problem 3 is less doable, and should not bring down the hopes for the more pressing issues.
Securing the borders from Al Qaeda and deporting 11 million people are not mutually inclusive. Enforcing a new immigration law--a new one is needed, because the old one was never enforced and thus discredited--and kicking out current illegals are not mutually inclusive. We can do one, and not the other, in both instances. It is more important to find a political solution that guarantees the border is secure, than one that tries to hitch a less attainable goal of mass deportation to that wagon. It is more important to prevent future illegal immigration, that it is to worry about those who are already here. 11 million naturalized learning-to-speak English Americans won't bring this country down. But 111 million Spanish speaking illegals after another 20 years of the status quo--the result of liberals not wanting to do anything about immigration and conservatives asking too much to get a workable plan to save this country--will. Again, its about priorities--are you more interested in guaranteeing that a wall is built and that future illegals are hampered from coming here, or are you more interested in the politically unviable and unexecutable policy of mass deportation? Not only are they not mutually inclusive, these issues are starting to become mutually exclusive.
A law is only a law if its enforced. We have not enforced the immigration laws for God knows how long. Trying to retroactively enforce them won't fix the problem--the image of the current immigration law has already been wiped between the cracks and thrown into the toilet. A fresh start is needed on immigration, beginning with the wall. This country--yes, this country--has routinely had its share of law skirting, heck the country came from a common law culture and the west was settled by squatters who "stole" land from either absentee landlords or a government that wasn't enforcing its hard-to-enforce property laws. After that period of "lawlessness", the common sense of common law took hold, and such land was recognized by the courts, and the formerly illegally owned property of the squatters became legally recognized private property. Subsequent squatting (ie, a new illegal squatter taking the land of a formerly illegal now legal squatter) would then be illegal, despite the apparent spirit of "hypocrisy" in such an edict.
A similair situation could happen now with current illegals. Because the immigration law has not been enforced, we don't blame those who saw the law as a paper tiger, and don't hold their desire to live in the greatest country in the world against against them--unless they plan on remaining Mexicans, then the U.S. deports. We adapt the law and make it stronger and enforcable, we have a wall to protect us from terrorists and future colonization, we've created 11 million tax payers (unemployment among illegals is less than among naturalized Americans, think of the tax revenues we can gain to help finace the GWOT and pay off the debt), and we have not only stayed even with Hispanics politically, but we could use the Naturalization process to indoctrinate the illegals into American values.
Oh please.
Two solutions: secure the border with a fence and enforce current laws/strengthen them against employing illegals. Dry up the jobs and the illegals will stop coming.
Mark my words, if there are jobs open for illegals in the United States, they will keep coming wall or no wall. Not all of the illegal immigrants come walking over the border from Mexico.
Without any jobs for illegals, they will have to go to a country where they can find a job. They can either walk back to Mexico via roads or the Minutemen will gladly drive them back to Mexico in buses. Somehow they can go home and apply to come to the United States legally.
You mean deport those who don't want to become patriotic Americans? So you are for deportation?
Right now, I don't care about a national policy of deportation. If the reason why they came no longer exists, then they have to go home. If most could make it here on foot, they can make it back to the exits on foot. The quality of their life would serve as a deterrent. Amnesty serves as a reason to flock to the United States, in greater numbers.
Why the Hell is it every time the subject of America's Sovereign Borders comes up, the Red Herring Brigade begins talking about Mexicans??
What parts of such simple and unambiguous phrases as Rule of Law, Sovereign Borders, criminal aliens, United States Constitution etceteras do these jokers have most difficulty with??
Make felonies of illegal border crossings and employing criminal aliens and, ON BOTH OUR NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN BORDERS, BUILD DOUBLE THIRTY FEET HIGH THIRTY FEET DEEP BARRIERS.
And bring back our Old Europe and Korea Border Guards and employ them on America's Borders for a change!
Some FReepers believe that if you repeat this false premise enough times, eventually the majority of other FReepers will believe it.
We won't.
The fact is that if we would only enforce the laws that are on the books already against employing illegal aliens and deny illegal aliens all access to Social programs They Will Deport Themselves!
Illegal aliens are a net cost of a couple hundred billion dollars to the U.S. Taxpayers every year.
They need to be motivated to take themselves back home the same damn way they came in here.
They can just all start walking. Now.
"Israel's border fence has been extraordinarily successful in keeping out potential infiltrators who are far more determined than mere immigrants. Nor have very many North Koreans crossed into South Korea in the past 50 years."
Troops and a fence now!
Prove they fear God. If they are so wonderful why do they make up 37% of our prison population. Why do you consider hispanics a more appropriate addition to our culture than Poles, Irish, Germans, English, Japanese, Australians, etc?
I would require any school of education that does not repudiate multiculturalism (or affirm the superiority of American culture) to have their certification revoked
Why are so many of them in prison for child molestation and statutory rape?
The fence is a great idea, but, a large number of the illegal aliens in the country got here not by crossing the border, by rather by overstaying their visas and then melting into the background. We need the manpower to be able to track down those people in the future -- as well as the fence on the border -- if our border security is going to be fixed.
Only then should a discussion be raised about the ones already here.
The majority of them are working or on Social programs that they're not entitled to.
Go after their employers and demand proof of citizenship from applicants for Social programs.
They Will Deport Themselves!
Read the current laws that deny all benefits to illegal aliens which is NOT being enforced!!
142. Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of September 30, 1996 (110 Statutes-at-Large 3009)
Before House and Senate left Washington the FIRST thing that should have been passed was to prevent anymore of their kind from sneaking in!! Lord knows we do not need anymore of them to add to the current mess.
There should be strong tough legislation passed to secure the southern border with armed guards and an electrified fence.
Than prevent them from taking our American streets hostage again this weekend and stop them from protesting. Have IRS agents on the streets collecting back taxes plus penalties from them! That's just for starters.
Well, I'll help you build the wall.
But your part "b" sounds like the Roveian fantasy of the god-fearing legalized caballeros leading their sternly ruled, austerely dressed flocks into the pews of the local version of St. Aloysius, and then reporting en masse to the Court House to register as Republicans.
Sí, mi amigo, a movie! Pedro Armendariz reading to his family from the works of Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand as they sit round a formal dinner table! América bean berry berry gud to our fomily. ¡Viva nuestro nuevo país!
Let's talk about this vision after we build the world's finest fence. In the meantime, let's talk to George Bush and get him to say something rational about this and fund it, before he mumbles the GOP out of office forever. If he doesn't wise up, it's going to be ¡VIVA HILLARY! until 2116.
how about first a wall, then massive deportations...I am tired of these people claiming wanting a better life then the protests screaming this is Their Land???
They come here for a better life,,,YOURS. Question, do you want to give them your life?
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