Note: this topic is from June 13, 2005.
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Posted on 06/13/2005 1:16:58 PM PDT by Destro
Actually, the subject isn't political. It affects all, without regard to perspective. I'd recommend that skeptics read the following: Start with Disclosure, by Dr. Steven Greer (full of testimony by very conservative lifetime Pentagon officers, gents), then read The Day After Roswell by Col. Philip Corso (also highly conservative), then read The Threat by David Jacobs PhD, then read The Hunt for Zero Point by the conservative aviation editor for Janes Defense Weekly (the most authoritative publication on defense technology), then read The Contact Has Begun by Philip Krapf--another conservative editor/Putitzer winner for the Los Angeles Times, then read Leap of Faith by conservative Gemini astronaut Gordon Cooper (describes his encounters with truly non-human technology)---just to get a start.
As for the remark about persons from the "left," here's my reply. Perspective of the sort dates from Louis XIV's strange habit of seating himself in the middle, the nobility on his right, and the other estates on the left. It's an archaic, monarchical schema in which the middle of the road is the royal arse, literally. It's a flatland aberration, wholly inadequate to describe the basic convergance of supposed "right" and "left" on many issues, i.e. Bush's Orwellian attempts to undermine basic individual liberties in the Constitution.
Flatland metaphors of the old sort, like flatland mathematics, are no longer adequate. Many conservatives have testified about aliens and alien artifacts. See CSETI's 600 current and former defense, intelligence and aviation officials (some of whom were nuclear site commanders of impeccably good judgement) who have all directly witnessed UFO's and actual aliens. Not fringe characters, to say the least.
Some quotes:
"I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on Earth." --President Harry Truman, April 4, 1950 White House press conference.
"For the next two or three days the saucers passed over the base daily. Sometimes they appeared in groups of four, other times as many as sixteen. They could outmaneuver and outflank us seemingly at will. They moved at varying speeds--sometimes very fast, sometimes slow--and other times they would come to a dead stop as we zoomed past underneath." --Astronaut Gordon Cooper, describing his first direct encounters with
UFO's while serving as a military pilot in Germany.
"These (gray aliens) were living, breathing creatures, just as mortal as you and I. They had feelings, they had families. They had a cultural society. The one thing they didn't have was hate, hostility. They had anger, from what I observed--and I don't know how to explain it better than stating--it was an intellectual anger. They could not... comprehend how a species such as us, that had such great potential to do such wonderful and marvelous things, could do such horrible and nightmarish things to one another." --Master Sgt. Clifford Stone, ret., who testified that he encountered "gray" aliens while working in a US Army unit that retrieved crashed extraterrestrial vehicles. 2001.
"I suspect that we have, indeed, been contacted--perhaps even visited--by extraterrestrial beings, and the US government, in collusion with the other national powers of the earth, is determined to keep this information from the general public." --former CIA official Victor Marchetti quoted in "How the CIA Views the UFO Phenomenon," Second Look, vol. 1, no. 7. Washington, D.C. 1979.
"We alone cannot take credit for our recent advancement in certain scientific fields. We have been helped." --Dr. Herman Oberth, NASA German rocket scientist. When asked to identify the helpers, Oberth replied, "The people of other worlds."
Tin foil hats ARE ridiculous, as was the movie that made them famous: Signs. However, when both the French and British defense ministries are convinced that alien technology is probably in US black budget hands, and when the Russian chairman of their joint chiefs of staff openly admitted on TV that his nation has observed alien craft close-up, it is no longer a laughing matter.
I know uniformed service men who have seen non-human craft, professionals who have seen negative energy craft tested on US bases. Here's a basic test for each of you: How high ranking are any of the uniformed officers that each of you are close enough to to ask about the subject. I can assure you that if they trust you, they will give a basic, albeit cryptic indicator if you bring up the subject. Just don't expect them to make specific comments about classified programs.
Ten years ago, I would have laughed like you. I assumed that the light speed on propagation precluded much of a visit here. So, have your fun, but, please, check some of those books noted above.
I enjoy a polite debate.
Thanks, It feels like family here. For those who are still following this thread, here's an article about aviation research into gravity manipulation by Theodore Loder PhD, professor at the University of New Hampshire. http://www.seaspower.com/Outsidethebox-Loder.htm
Obviously they did not read the memo posted on the hanger door. You must wear real "Tin foil" helmets. Aluminum foil is just not good enough for those flights. :-)
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Whatever funds would be needed for researching/exploiting advanced extraterrerstrial technologies could be created out of thin air by the Fed, or simply printed by the Treasury, with far greater ease and secrecy than the overly-elaborate drug-running schemes described in this article.
Worse, any extraterrestrials willing and able to travel here would need to have scientific and technological capabilities so far in advance of our own, we’d have about as much chance of being able to understand their technology as a colony of chimps would have of understanding the source code of Microsoft Windows. And any civilization with such technology would make machines that essentially don’t fail, and have vehicles that don’t crash. And we would perceive them only when and as they wanted us to. If they deigned to notice our existence at all.
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