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Refuting Fermi: No Evidence for Extraterrestrial Life?
National Institute for Discovery Science ^ | John B. Alexander, Ph.D

Posted on 01/02/2005 4:43:04 AM PST by SunkenCiv

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1 posted on 01/02/2005 4:43:05 AM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv
However, it is only through ignorance or pomposity that one can say no evidence exists.

That would explain John Kerry... one spaced out character.

2 posted on 01/02/2005 4:45:47 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier!)
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To: Northern Yankee
Yeah, I think you're onto something. :')

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3 posted on 01/02/2005 4:50:06 AM PST by SunkenCiv (the US population in the year 2100 will exceed a billion, perhaps even three billion.)
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To: SunkenCiv
One finds this message on the home page of the "National Institute for Discovery Science":

October 15th, 2004

We at the National Institute for Discovery Science have come to a time in which a decision must be made as to the direction of the Institute. We have labored long and hard, coming to the conclusion to place NIDS in an inactive status.

The reasons for this decision are as follows:

  1. We have not had the need to do any major investigative work for well over 2 ½ years.
  2. In view of that fact we decided to reduce our staff.
  3. Our administrator, Colm Kelleher, has taken a position outside of Nevada to do cancer research. Colm’s ambition has always been to do cancer research and was employed in this field prior to his employment with NIDS. We are sorry to see him leave.

It is unfortunate that there isn’t more activity, as there was in the past, that warrants investigation. However, we will still retain our Secretary/Receptionist who will remain at NIDS to answer your calls. Her name is Mary Allman and can be reached at (702) 798-1700. She will be talking daily to Mr. Bigelow’s assistants Janice and Donna.

Should substantial activity occur with a need for investigation then NIDS will be reactivated with new personnel.

Robert T. Bigelow

Looks like the aliens have decided to take a little down time during the early years of the new millenium. So maybe this guy, Alexander, is just trying to gin up a little interest while the aliens are surfing on Titan.

4 posted on 01/02/2005 4:59:40 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

The paper is from 2001.


5 posted on 01/02/2005 5:31:04 AM PST by SunkenCiv (the US population in the year 2100 will exceed a billion, perhaps even three billion.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Thanks...I failed to notice that Alexander was responding to a 2001 article that he calls 'recent'.

Still, I'll bet the ethane looks inviting on Titan right now. Maybe we'll know for sure in a few days...

6 posted on 01/02/2005 5:41:21 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: SunkenCiv

The Fermi paradox is a paradox proposed by physicist Enrico Fermi that questions the possibilities of finding intelligent extraterrestrial life. More specifically, it deals with the attempts to answer one of the most profound questions of all time: "Are we (the earthlings) the only technologically advanced civilization in the Universe?". The Drake equation for estimating the number of extraterrestrial civilizations with which we might come in contact seems to imply that we should not expect such contact to be extremely rare. Fermi's response to this conclusion was that if there were very many advanced extraterrestrial civilizations in our galaxy, then, "Where are they? Why haven't we seen any traces of intelligent extraterrestrial life e.g. probes, spacecraft or transmissions?". Those that adhere to the premise behind the Fermi paradox often refer to that premise as the Fermi principle.

The paradox can be summed up as follows: The commonly held belief that the universe has many technologically advanced civilizations combined with our observations that suggest otherwise, is paradoxical, suggesting that either our understanding or our observations are flawed or incomplete.


7 posted on 01/02/2005 6:17:33 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (Free Republic is 21st Century Samizdat)
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To: FormerACLUmember

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8 posted on 01/02/2005 6:21:29 AM PST by SunkenCiv (the US population in the year 2100 will exceed a billion, perhaps even three billion.)
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To: SunkenCiv
..."However, it is only through ignorance or pomposity that one can say no evidence exists."

It is Arrogance that refuses to accept that no Real or Hard Data exists.

9 posted on 01/02/2005 9:53:01 AM PST by austinmark (*Never Underestimate the Power of Stupid People in Large Groups.*)
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bttt

10 posted on 01/09/2005 5:05:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (the US population in the year 2100 will exceed a billion, perhaps even three billion.)
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11 posted on 01/14/2005 10:04:27 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on January 13, 2005)
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To: blam; Ernest_at_the_Beach; FairOpinion; ValerieUSA
Ping!
12 posted on 01/14/2005 10:06:12 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on January 13, 2005)
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13 posted on 01/14/2005 10:44:48 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on January 13, 2005)
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To: SunkenCiv

Bookmark bump!


14 posted on 01/14/2005 11:30:01 AM PST by demlosers
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To: FreedomNeocon

ET Visitors: Scientists See High Likelihood
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15 posted on 01/19/2005 11:58:07 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on January 13, 2005)
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bttt
16 posted on 01/31/2005 11:02:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Ted "Kids, I Sunk the Honey" Kennedy is just a drunk who's never held a job (or had to).)
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To: JennysCool; shibumi; Swordmaker

thanks for the ping to the following, Swordmaker:

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17 posted on 02/18/2005 1:46:13 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("Are you an over due book? Because you've got FINE written all over you!")
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1200 foot cigar-shaped UFO:

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18 posted on 04/08/2005 1:52:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Deviance or rebellion without consequences is conformity.)
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To: SunkenCiv; ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; airborne; albertp; andysandmikesmom; areafiftyone; aruanan; ...

THANKS. Interesting article.

UFO PING LIST PING

PLEASE LET Las Vegas Dave and I know if you want on or off the UFO ping list.


19 posted on 05/12/2005 8:46:59 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Is there a copyright problem with posting the whole article?


20 posted on 05/12/2005 8:48:15 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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