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To: UsnDadof8; Quix; Homo_homini_lupus
UsnDadof8, while I respect MacArthur as a general rule, and while he does make some valid points, I do think he has a blind spot when it comes to the gifts of the Spirit. Candidly, there's fault on both sides of the Charismatic issue.

Unfortunately, many Charismatic churches do drift away from the Word as their yardstick to judge all supernatural manifestations. But by the same token, most mainline churches quench the Holy Spirit and reject any supernatural manifestation or deliverance ministry. Those churches are candidly ill-prepared to meet the rise of occultism in the West--a rise that is not due to people suddenly turning stupid or gullable, but because people are having real supernatural experiences. I think the Enemy, who has been careful to work subtly enough to build up a humanistic program in the West, is starting to take the gloves off now that the Church has bought into the program.

I do believe in prophetic dreams and utterances, and have received a few myself. I also believe that the acid tests of all prophecy is a) is it in agreement with what the Bible teaches, and b) does it come to pass? (In the latter case, one can appeal to the "Jonah Clause" when there is prayer and repentance.)

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the gifts of prophecy, tongues, miracles, healings, or the like were only "until the closing of the canon." On the contrary, these gifts continue to this day, and the evangelicals need to start recognizing them, while still applying Acts 17:11.

Is Quix's dream prophetic? I don't know, but I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. I mean to study and pray on it this evening and see what the Spirit reveals.

Quix, I greatly respect your insights and appreciate your passion, but you may wish to tone it back just a little. "SHOUTING" doesn't change minds, except perhaps away from your positions. I appreciate you posting this thread. You might find a discussion we had on this subject about four years ago to be interesting: Apocalyptic Dream/Nightmare. I don't suggest reviving it; I'm linking it here for informational purposes only.

Lupus, I thought you might find this thread interesting.

136 posted on 10/07/2004 10:07:46 AM PDT by Buggman (Your failure to be informed does not make me a kook.)
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To: Buggman

Wasn't aware I was shouting.

I'm fully capable of it, though!

. . . in red, blue, purple, large fonts etc.

I CAN get REALLY expressive!

I do like variety in expression!

LOL.

Thanks for your wise and kind inputs in your post. Greatly respected.


140 posted on 10/07/2004 11:31:44 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYERS 4 PRES, FAMILY, ADVISORS N OUR REPUBLIC IN OCT MAY BE VITALLY CRUCIAL)
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To: Buggman; All

BTW,

Quix has NOT had

ANY

of the dreams posted on this thread!!!

I'm acting as a facilitator, communicator, seeking Spiritually discerning discussion and consensus on the offerings that I've tried to glean in a representative way from my mostly net based sources.

I'M ESPECIALLY SEEKING TO MOTIVATE INCREASED PRAYER FOR OUR NATION AND FOR OUR PRESIDENT.


142 posted on 10/07/2004 11:36:12 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYERS 4 PRES, FAMILY, ADVISORS N OUR REPUBLIC IN OCT MAY BE VITALLY CRUCIAL)
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