So Mel Gibson thinks Vatican II is an abomination.
Ummmm, Veronica, Celtjew Libertarian said the phrase "Jews killed Jesus" in the title of his own vanity thread.
Mel Gibson hasn't said "The Jews killed Jesus".
American Christians haven't said "The Jews killed Jesus".
The individuals who keep reapeating the phrase "The Jews killed Jesus", ad nauseum, in front of every TV camera and in every editorial column they write are the Abe Foxman's of America and those who agree with him on this issue.
I adressed this issue for others on Post 345 on this thread where I pointed out that, although the "Jews killed Christ" libel may have been an integral part of the Central Europe and Eastern Europe where your Ashkenazi ancestros fled from, the "Jews killed Christ" libel is NOT a part of the American Christian tradition.
American Christians belive they killed Christ because of their sins. Not you. Not the "The Jews". They believe they killed Christ.
I also addressed this issue specifically to you on Post 412 on that same thread..
You never replied.
The problem, as I see it, is that you want to treat 21st Century American Christians as if they were the 19th Century Russian peasants stoking up their anti-Semitic hate on a 19th Century Eastern European "The Jews KIlled Christ" Passion Play prior to getting drunk, getting their torches and pitchforks and going over to the Jewish village for the yearly pogrom.
Veronica, I am trying again to say this to you, to Abe Foxman and to those who share his view of America:
You are not in your great-grandfather's Eastern Europe any more.
You are in America.
Stop treating 21st Century Amertican Christians as if they were 19th Century Czarist Russian peasants.
Your ancestor's fled Europe for American because American Christians had built a land where they could be safe from the anti-Semitic hatred and violence that made life for them intolerable in Eastern and Central Europe.
Now, the descendant of those earlier American Christians are being treated by the descendants of those earlier Jewish immigrants as if you and your family had never left Old Europe and as if American Christians were Czarist era Russian peasants with all the beliefs, biases, susperstitions and blood libels characteristic of Czarist era Russian peasants.
In doing so, you are attacking the deep rooted religious beliefs of the Old American Christian tradition that made America a beacon of freedom for the Jewish refugees of the 19th and early 20th Centuries and you are needlessly alienating the best friends that Israel has in the in the World today.
Right now, Europe is anti-Semitic, the Middle East is anti-Semitic, the Left is anti-Semitic and much of the Third World is anti-Semitic.
After you alienate the American Christians who take their religion seriously, the one non-Jewish demographic group with a history of strong, deeply held support for Israel and the Jewish people, it's going to be a pretty hostile and lonely world out there.
I don't trade in groupthink. This is about one man's vision, i.e. Mel Gibson's movie. Some Jews and Christians have liked the movie, some have not. My view of the movie and the PR campaign which led up to the release of the movie has has zero to do with how I feel about Christians in general, which is that I have always seen Christians as my brothers, and fellow Americans, if we are speaking of America. It's not a huge, life-altering issue for me.