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'Passion' Needs Postscript
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| Feb 3rd 2004
| By Abraham H. Foxman and Rabbi Granatoor
Posted on 02/03/2004 9:04:52 AM PST by missyme
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To: missyme
Why ? There are volumes of text books written on the history of the last twenty centuries. I don't think denial is a good strategy.
To: af_vet_1981
Do you know what religion Adolph belonged to ? If the truth were on your side, you'd not have to lie. Hitler was a pagan evolutionist who saw the Jews as mostly ape. He planned on the destruction of Christianity as well as Judaism. He didn't kill millions of Polish Christians because he was a good Catholic.
If Jews can blame Christians for their persecutions-- as they are doing to this very day-- (Who persecuted them before Christ?) then Christians should be able to blame Jews for their persecution. It makes as much sense.
Take your lying propaganda somewhere else.
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posted on
02/03/2004 5:37:06 PM PST
by
Dataman
To: rmlew
Do you listen at all?
Did I say you were waiting for SATAN? Did I? I say how will you know you will not be fooled by SATAN?
Obviously you must think he can fool you otherwise you would not be getting so hostile....You said Jesus is a false Messiah, I was just questioning you about your awaited Messiah? do you know what to even look for?
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posted on
02/03/2004 5:39:03 PM PST
by
missyme
To: missyme
There have been other renditions of this story. Did pogroms against Jews follow? Other than in Germany, of course, which was already too far gone.
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posted on
02/03/2004 5:41:52 PM PST
by
William Terrell
(Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
To: rmlew
Actually the biggest growth in Judiasm is Messianic, this is documented where are you getting your stats? In Asia and AFRICA Christianity is one of the fatest growing beleifs
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posted on
02/03/2004 5:42:21 PM PST
by
missyme
To: af_vet_1981
How many Jews did they kill ? Your question is a bit bizarre. I suggest you look in just about any history book if you don't know the answer.
Were all of the Nazis and their collaboraters unbaptized ?
You've got to be kidding! How many of their collaboraters were Jews?
It's real simple mr. vet. You have to twist and stretch and use a hammer to make history fit the sick Christian-Nazi connection, but you only have to turn on the news to see who is really bent on the extermination of the Jews. You'd best turn your attention to them. AND- if you think the mere act of baptism makes a person a Christian, then most Americans are Christian (by your definition) and Israel's best friend is a Christian nation.
I don't agree that America is still a Christian nation, but either baptism makes Christians or it does not. If it does, then Israel needs American Christians. If it does not, then your Nazi-Christian connection is an atagonistic lie.
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posted on
02/03/2004 5:45:53 PM PST
by
Dataman
To: af_vet_1981
I'm asking that the truth be acknowledged. I acknowledge the truth. I don't acknowledge revisionism because that is not the truth.
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posted on
02/03/2004 5:47:37 PM PST
by
Dataman
To: rmlew
What are the signs you are seeing: Do you realize Israel is very Secular..Something the Orthodox Jews are in an up-roar about for one thing Jerusalem is the Host of the Gay Pride Festival of 2005...I can see and I don't mean to be disrespectful but you are showing yourself to have no clue of End Times Prophecy predictions...
Jesus said that all the nations will have an opportunity to hear his word. "The Passion of Christ" is one great example of that.
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posted on
02/03/2004 5:47:43 PM PST
by
missyme
To: Dataman
If the truth were on your side, you'd not have to lie. What lie are you accusing me of ?
Hitler was a pagan evolutionist who saw the Jews as mostly ape. He planned on the destruction of Christianity as well as Judaism. He didn't kill millions of Polish Christians because he was a good Catholic.
I never contended "he was a good Catholic" and neither have I contended that Caiphas or Annas were good Jews. It certainly would not be the first time in history people who called themselves christian killed other people who called themselves christian. There have been many instances of Jews killing other Jews as well.
You contend he was a pagan. A biography says On April 20, 1889, her fourth child, Adolf, was born healthy and was baptized a Roman Catholic. Hitler's father was now 52 years old. What religions were the members of his party ?
If Jews can blame Christians for their persecutions-- as they are doing to this very day-- (Who persecuted them before Christ?) then Christians should be able to blame Jews for their persecution. It makes as much sense.
Jews who persecuted others (like Saul of Tarsus or Caiphas and Annas) are absolutely responsible for their sins and crimes.
Take your lying propaganda somewhere else.
Again you have unjustly accused me of a lie.
To: missyme
this is nothing other than a publicity stunt by the ADL.
To: missyme
Now isn't this just cozy! How can someone accuse Gibson's movie of being inflammatory while making anti-Christian inflammatory remarks? And Foxman once said he had a concern about dialogue breaking down between the groups? Ahhhh- the sanctimony!
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posted on
02/03/2004 5:52:36 PM PST
by
Dataman
To: Frank_Discussion
They could easily use this to show it was politics and not a people.
PR stunts.
To: Dataman
Your question is a bit bizarre. I suggest you look in just about any history book if you don't know the answer. I know the answer. Do you say "six million ?"
How many of their collaboraters were Jews?
I would think there were hundreds, even thousands, who collaborated for bread and a chance to live another day.
if you think the mere act of baptism makes a person a Christian,
I'll take that as a statement you do not think a Catholic baptism makes a person a christian, in which case by that definition Adolph was a pagan/heathen/gentile [whatever term you prefer for accuracy]. Feel free to correct the record if I misunderstood your comments. Unfortunately we are stuck with Judas, Caiphas, and Annas as bad Jews. I admit it.
To: missyme
AChristianity is growing in Africa. Thank God.
Yes, many Jews are becoming Christian. However, there are thousands of Ethiopian and Indian Christians of Jew descent converting back and trying to emmigrate to Israel.
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posted on
02/03/2004 6:00:01 PM PST
by
rmlew
(Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
To: Dataman
LOL..It seems we have about 10 different conversations and topics going on now?
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posted on
02/03/2004 6:00:20 PM PST
by
missyme
To: rmlew
The crowd's statement, their cry that Jesus deserved to be crucified, their disowning Him and wanting the Gentile authority to kill Him. Do you agree with them, or disagree?
I'm sorry you don't see the Messiah as Torah presents Him. And here comes the real crux: while no crowd had authority two thousand years ago to condemn all Jews to suffer for their act, Yahweh Himself had announced His own attitude centuries earlier:
I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 19 And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him.
Deuteronomy 18:18-19
That is the judgment about which I would be more concerned.
Dan
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posted on
02/03/2004 6:03:40 PM PST
by
BibChr
("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
To: rmlew
There will be 144,000 in the End Times The 12 Tribes of Israel which are scattered about the world.
Mirac and Mohab Hebrew words..I am sure I spelled this wrong
The Prophecy of Passover are you aware of this?
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posted on
02/03/2004 6:03:48 PM PST
by
missyme
To: af_vet_1981
You contend he was a pagan History contends he was a pagan. He contended he was a pagan. The guy was consumed with Ayrianism! Do you know wat an Aryan was? Look it up! An Aryan was a descendant of the Atlanteans! Hitler was an insane occultist!
It was quite natural, following the confused failure to Nazify Protestantism, that some of Hitler's followers should have turned to Paganism. The Norse myths are a first-class nationalist substitute. Carried to its logical extreme, Naziism in fact demands the creation of a new and nationalist religion. Hitler has indicated this in a speech at Nuremberg in September, 1935. "Christianity," he said, "succeeded for a time in uniting the old Teutonic tribes, but the Reformation destroyed this unity. Germany is now a united nation. National Socialism has succeeded where Christianity failed." And Heiden has quoted Hitler's remark, "We do not want any other God than Germany itself."
You can find this information many places. How does Hitler's baptism as an infant-- against his will-- make him a Christian? Christianity is not a race. It is a choice. Infants can't make that choice.
Again you have unjustly accused me of a lie.
Would you feel better if I used a different word? You are trying to make a connection between Christianity and Nazism. There is nothing in common between the two. Nothing.
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posted on
02/03/2004 6:03:59 PM PST
by
Dataman
To: missyme
I am well aware that Israel is a deeply divided country. The culture war there is more vehement than in the US.
However, if destructive foreign influences prevent the Messiah from comming, then how can you claim that Jesus was the Messiah? Occupied Israel was full of Hellenizers and collaborators.
Jesus said that all the nations will have an opportunity to hear his word. "The Passion of Christ" is one great example of that.
I hope so. Europe and 1/3 of Americans need it.
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posted on
02/03/2004 6:04:58 PM PST
by
rmlew
(Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
To: Dataman
Now isn't this just cozy! How can someone accuse Gibson's movie of being inflammatory while making anti-Christian inflammatory remarks? And Foxman once said he had a concern about dialogue breaking down between the groups? Ahhhh- the sanctimony! I interpreted Missyme's comments to mean that she said that I was waiting for Satan.
I responded in kind.
I am not anti-Christian. I wish far more nominal Christians were religious.
As for a breakdown of dialogue, that is exactly what Foxman wants.
As for sanctimony, perhaps you should pay attention to CONTEXT before passing judgement.
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posted on
02/03/2004 6:08:01 PM PST
by
rmlew
(Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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