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Is Creativity Inherently Liberal?
Pilgrim Soul ^ | March 2023 | Shawn Gold

Posted on 11/01/2025 8:04:52 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

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To: CondoleezzaProtege

No. But most conservative-leaning creatives learn early on that they need to keep their mouths shut if they want to have careers. The cretins on the left may not know how to produce much in the way of appealing creative products, but boy, do they know how to dogpile on and try to destroy the careers of the people they hate.

I mean, take J. K. Rowling, for example.


41 posted on 11/01/2025 9:41:08 AM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus (George Orwell's _1984_ was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual. )
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Liberals believe that because their creativity is so great people should be forced to support them.

Usually people don't want to and the results of their creativity is mediocre at best.

Conservatives think that because their creativity is so great that people will be willing to buy it.

And for the most part they do.

42 posted on 11/01/2025 9:49:47 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (It's like somebody just put the Constitution up on a wall …. and shot the First Amendment -Mike Rowe)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Sure. The sort of “creativity” that has made aggressive ugliness so fashionable in the world of art and architecture.


43 posted on 11/01/2025 9:50:02 AM PDT by Salman (It's not a slippery slope if it was part of the program all along.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I am creative, think outside the box, despise working for and with people who are rigid, can’t stand an ugly atmosphere, get along with fellow New Yorkers the artists, foodies, interior design, entertainment as well as finance types - the latter of whom are the most devoted Dead Heads, of which I am one

I know that our country and our freedom to be creative cannot survive nor exist without the protection of our constitution

I know that Trump is the only person in government committed, able and willing to protect and defend the constitution

I creative, and I support Trump more than anyone I know does.

I know that this coming Tuesday that the governorships, the redistricting and the mayorships are going democrat and I know that Trump is not on the ballot in any of those races

It doesn’t take a non creative person to not be an idiot
There are plenty of weak idiots I’m the Republican Party.


44 posted on 11/01/2025 9:55:31 AM PDT by stanne
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To: All

To a liberal “creativity” has to deliberately insult someone! If it doesn’t it’s not “creativity “!


45 posted on 11/01/2025 10:00:20 AM PDT by Reily
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Society needs people who think in different ways and fulfill different functions. You need rebels and trailblazers, but you also need people who are more stable and reliable.


46 posted on 11/01/2025 10:00:24 AM PDT by x
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

What is a “thinker?”


47 posted on 11/01/2025 10:05:03 AM PDT by subterfuge (I'm a pure-blood!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Liberals these days have shown a great tendency to not be creative at all.

They follow their masters lockstep like good little drones and don’t seem to be capable of thinking an independent thought of their own.


48 posted on 11/01/2025 10:05:28 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus….)
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To: GMThrust
“...and a morality based on delayed gratification.” WTH does that mean???

^ An example would be placing value on the institution of marriage, over romance or sexuality — including ‘alternative’ sexualities: ”If it feels good do it.” “Follow your heart.” “Love is love.”

Many artists happen to identify as gay.

“That’s why liberals can make great artists, but be totally off-base in politics and religion.” How would you explain conservatives and Christians being great artists? I’m sure they are out there. I’m leaning toward No to the question.

Conservatives on the whole sadly don’t view art and beauty as essential. That’s why I posted the article yesterday about ugly American churches and the ugliness of most manmade surroundings in America in general (as opposed to the grandeur and glory of historic European cities.)

Rather than catering to the imagination, to the invisible realms of the spirit, or the feelings of the heart: functionalism and practicality took over.

49 posted on 11/01/2025 10:09:41 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: stanne

Trump is definitely more ‘creative’ and dare I say liberal than typical the your average by the book Republican, that’s for sure. Which is why he’s stirred the pot so much to begin with.

Having the sense to construct a beautiful (yet arguably practical) Ballroom in the East Wing exemplifies that. Among his other personality traits and approaches to things…


50 posted on 11/01/2025 10:12:39 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: BenLurkin

No for sure. I was always a very creative kid, then made my living writing and editing books, some published by major publishing houses.


51 posted on 11/01/2025 10:13:41 AM PDT by Veto! (Trump is Superman)
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To: stanne

Yikes excuse my keyboard and auto-text. Retyping for clarity:

Trump is definitely more ‘creative’ and dare I say liberal than your average, typical, by-the-book Republican, that’s for sure.* Which is why he’s stirred the pot so much to begin with.

Having the sense to construct a beautiful (yet arguably practical) Ballroom in the East Wing exemplifies that. Among his other personality traits and approaches to things…


52 posted on 11/01/2025 10:14:42 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Bach was conservative. Beethoven was liberal - a republican in fact. I prefer to d RT lineage between left/right.


53 posted on 11/01/2025 10:16:33 AM PDT by Sirius Lee ("Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”)
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To: Veto!

And unless you worked for Baen or Regnery, I’m sure you found that the way to have a long career in publishing was by keeping your mouth shut about any personal views you might have that were even slightly politically conservative.


54 posted on 11/01/2025 10:29:58 AM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus (George Orwell's _1984_ was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual. )
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

“ yet arguably practical”

I don’t think there is any argument. Maybe you could present an argument

To negotiate and host foreign dignitaries at dinners and have their wives walking through grass on high heels like at some back yard barbecue wedding and using protagonist potties but in $15,000 formal gowns and shoes when they live in palaces

And the security involved

And does anyone tally what it takes to set up tents for galas. And in winter

What it is to provide security

No.

Unless we think that the White House should not host dinners nor dignitaries so that we can better provide giveaway trillions for people who would not prefer to work


55 posted on 11/01/2025 10:44:09 AM PDT by stanne
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
The problem is that the left long ago understood the importance of controlling the language and the political/cultural right willingly ceded it to them. For the most part, our society has conflated, "creativity," merely with defying convention, and much of what people are inclined to call, "creative," is at its core, actually quite destructive.

Isaac Newton, one of the most innovative and, "creative," thinkers of the past millennia, attributed his insights and discoveries to being able to stand, "on the shoulders of giants." He understood that his intellectual accomplishments were an outgrowth of what had preceded him. Similarly, the American War for Independence was not merely about overthrowing the old order, but looking to Roman republicanism and British Common Law, and adopting what worked and eliminating the problematic aspects to find something that worked better. To say that Franklin, Jefferson and so many others of our founders were not, "creative," would be a profound display of ignorance.

Another issue with our cultural perception of creativity is that, like so many other human traits, it is in and of itself, morally neutral. A creative medical researcher may use his skills and talents to create a medical device or treatment that relieves the suffering of many. A creative serial killer may develop techniques and MOs that allow them to elude capture for decades. As our culture becomes increasingly amoral or immoral, the types of, "creativity," we recognize or even celebrate tend to skew along the same lines as the general zeitgeist, such that true creativity that actually defies convention is often generally ignored.

I was in my college years from 1987 to 1991. It was around that same time that the, "tramp stamp," tattoo started to become a thing. Early adopters were viewed as edgy and defiant and not afraid to distinguish themselves by what they (and apparently others) saw as an expression of individuality. By the mid to late 90's everybody was expressing their, "individuality," by being just like everybody else. Everybody wants to be seen as, "creative," but the fact is only a small fraction of people truly are.

56 posted on 11/01/2025 10:48:19 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

By their very genetic nature liberals tend to always be unhappy with the status quo and yearn to blow up traditions, which is conservatives’ “safe space”, and replace them with untested pipe dreams.

As a result they tend to dominate the world of “new ideas”. But most of those ideas turn out to be untested childish wishful thinking, and if not moderated by the brakes of conservatism, you end up with miserable utopias.

So the conservative position is, before you widely implement a new idea do some small localized test cases and see how it works. If it works, fine, if not toss it. Don’t blow up the status quo and replace it with some pipe dream.

When the founders created the idea of states with their own local laws, they called that a “laboratory in governance”, where different ideas could be tried by different states locally, and may the best one win. That was their way of testing new ideas in governance.

IOW, they accepted the idea that there may be better ways of governing, so they allowed people in each state to try their own ideas without forcing it on everyone else, and then every one could see whether the idea was good or bad and decide if they wanted to adopt it.

Those guys were pretty wise!


57 posted on 11/01/2025 10:48:30 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they. control you. )
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To: stanne

Exactly! So it’s *both* creative and practical and that’s why Trump makes for a great leader.

Reagan was an actor.


58 posted on 11/01/2025 10:49:23 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Yep


59 posted on 11/01/2025 10:55:09 AM PDT by stanne
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

A true creative probably would never get involved in such a pointless discussion as this. She would scan the discussion and move on. At most, he would write a single, pointless remarks such as this and get back to working on his novel or other creative project.


60 posted on 11/01/2025 11:52:02 AM PDT by StAntKnee (Add your own danged sarc tag)
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