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Stop Drilling Holes In The Ships Hull: Why Conservatism Needs a Course Correction
Twitter ^ | September 27, 2024 | Croaky Caiman

Posted on 09/27/2024 1:05:53 PM PDT by TBP

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While I don't agree with all the points made here, the basic point is on target. We do need to rebuild the philosophical and activist elements of our movement.
1 posted on 09/27/2024 1:05:53 PM PDT by TBP
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To: TBP

“Conservatism, Inc.” is dead. Good riddance.


2 posted on 09/27/2024 1:10:31 PM PDT by TTFlyer (Lenin: that by the infliction of terror, a well-organized minority can conquer a nation.)
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No. Nothing is wrong. President Trump can handle it. Check in with The Bulwark, please.

3 posted on 09/27/2024 1:12:00 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (O give thanks unto the Lord, for He is gracious, and His mercy endureth forever. -- Psalm 106)
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To: TBP

It IS being rebuilt. Before our eyes. Just not in the way a lot of the globalist “intellectuals” want.


4 posted on 09/27/2024 1:15:49 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

Globalists say they are conservatives
Like Catholics charities say they’re Catholic

Who is defending the constitution

That’s the foundation of the country


5 posted on 09/27/2024 1:19:01 PM PDT by stanne
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The author thinks like the Democratic leaders are the other side in a college debate. They are not. They are a vicious enemy that wants to destroy America. You don’t defeat them with “intellectual conservatism” in the “long game.” You fight them now with insults, confrontation, and the courts. You fight them with bombastic in-your-face leaders like Trump.


6 posted on 09/27/2024 1:21:31 PM PDT by Calvin Cooledge
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He slams Turning Point while talking about retail retail politics. Guess what--Turning Point IS doing the retail politics, along with Scott Pressler's group. Groups that were given short shrift when Ronna ROMNEY headed up the RNC.

And I would argue that the ideas are there--its the milquetoasts and grifters who try and sidetrack the voters into side issues while ignoring very basic existential issues. I believe that is why you see RFK jr and Tulsi Gabbard getting behind Trump (NOT necessarily the man, but what he supports). Its also why an RFK gets a warm welcome like he did at that Michigan rally today.

Guy imho sounds like a jilted Mike Pence, Bill Kristol, or George Will.

7 posted on 09/27/2024 1:22:17 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe (The woke were surprised by the reaction to the Bud Light fiasco. May there be many more surprises)
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This article is complete garbage, it was a waste of time reading it.

The wining idea is putting the interests of the American people first, not last.

Rhino’s and democrats prefer putting the interests of foreign countries, foreign citizens and multinational corporations first.

What the author calls Conservatism is not worth supporting.


8 posted on 09/27/2024 1:22:19 PM PDT by desertfreedom765
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some so called conservatives would rather someone pretend to be nice and lie to them, than someone who is a little raw around the edges but will actually implement conservative principles!


9 posted on 09/27/2024 1:24:47 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: TBP

Conservatism is pretty much overtaken by the intelligentsia who consider wars and stock sales to be the bottom line.

I see it differently.


10 posted on 09/27/2024 1:26:45 PM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. )
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Trump didn’t invent populism he just brought it back to the front of the GOP. Neocons ran the party since first bush term and no one really wants to vote for that anymore.
Frankly they were probably never that popular but rank and file republicans held their nose and voted for them because they would pretend to be social conservatives though never delivered on any of that.


11 posted on 09/27/2024 1:29:22 PM PDT by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
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To: Calvin Cooledge
The author thinks like the Democratic leaders are the other side in a college debate. They are not. They are a vicious enemy that wants to destroy America. You don’t defeat them with “intellectual conservatism” in the “long game.” You fight them now with insults, confrontation, and the courts. You fight them with bombastic in-your-face leaders like Trump.

100% correct. I love intellectual debate, and tried fruitlessly for years to convince liberals of the error of their ways via facts and logic. The problem was that they don’t operation on the basis of facts and logic. They’re intellectual and emotional children who just want what they want, no matter how selfish or irrational, and they will lash out, even to the point of violence, when they don’t get it. It’s impossible to reason with such people, just as it’s impossible to reason with a bratty child who constantly throws tantrums when he is told “No.”

12 posted on 09/27/2024 1:30:22 PM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: TBP
While I don't agree with all the points made here, the basic point is on target.

No. It is not.

The article is a bunch of hot air written by someone who does not understand MAGA or Conservatism or Nationalism or Populism.

They praise with many damns the "TEA Party" that they tried to sink because they "just are not our kind of people". They want people to run for local office so they can support the "BIG IDEA" of filling up the author's bank account but not to actually have any power or say in the party.

It is what has been going on for decades. We will talk about things but never do them. We will compromise, sell out and sell you down the river but how dare you think you make have some say. If you revolt and actually defeat our fair hair little puppet in the primary we will back stab, cheat, lie and connive with the democrats to defeat you.

No.

I am a Normal American.

I want to be left alone to raise my family and run my business. I want the federal government to protect me from foreign aggression whether is is missiles or criminals coming across the boarder.

I don't think that is too much to ask and it does not need to be a deep philosophical movement.

13 posted on 09/27/2024 1:30:39 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Not my circus. Not my monkeys. But I can pick out the clowns at 100 yards.)
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It’s delusional.

Wrong on basic premise and understanding.

It’s as if he doesn’t even know what happened during Trump’s administration.


14 posted on 09/27/2024 1:31:11 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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Rebuilding the philosophical elements of conservatism will be labeled as elitist, and dismissed.


15 posted on 09/27/2024 1:32:41 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( )
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To: Tench_Coxe
Guy imho sounds like a jilted Mike Pence, Bill Kristol, or George Will.

Yep - Ol' "Four Eyes" Will - the guy who always pulled his punches on his Democrat "colleagues".

16 posted on 09/27/2024 1:33:38 PM PDT by kiryandil (Kraft durch Freude! - The Kamunist and The Walzrus )
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This is just nonsense.

These strategies of “ conservative principles” have been failing since 1945.

The Left has seized control of every major institution in the West while we get these screeds on ‘Muh conservative intellectualism.

I have no great hopes of Trump implementing a turnaround. Instead we have a very decayed Regime that is so dysfunctional it may be near collapse.

If a Trump win can promote an autodestruct move like the 1991 USSR Coup; well after that anything is possible.


17 posted on 09/27/2024 1:34:09 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: stanne

Got the opportunity to listen to Fr. Stephen Imbarrato (aka The Protest Priest) speak at a small men’s group @ St.
Anne’s in Santee, S.C.
Someone asked why there isn’t better unity and unified voices from Pro-Life Clergy and Lay-people, etc.
He said that evil doesn’t scrutinize and then dismiss evil that’s not perfectly aligned with it’s version of evil. It says, we differ but come on over and we will work on it.
Good on the other hand has the tendency to easily dismiss the whole person, group, &/or idea entirely based on a small difference.
No intent to fall into the same trap but your comment “Like Catholics charities say they’re Catholic” unfortunately reminded me of that. Why you overlooked 99% of profoundly good Catholic Charities that are truely Catholic to draw attention to the 1% (funneling invaders in, etc) that are catholic-ish truely saddens me.

Same parallels can be drawn to Conservative, Libertarian, hell even some “moderate” Dems and how we all persist on the 1% division. Priorities are priorities (i.e. must be Pro-life) but there are common goods that unite.


18 posted on 09/27/2024 1:35:24 PM PDT by SavannahWonderer (First do no harm)
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Who is ‘Croaky Caiman’ and why should anyone care what he or she has to say?


19 posted on 09/27/2024 1:35:36 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: TTFlyer
“Conservatism, Inc.” is dead. Good riddance.

I agree this is "think tank" establishment BS. No need for endless years of deep thinking, endless white papers, useless pronouncements and virtue signaling.

Lets just use common since as a base line philosophy.

20 posted on 09/27/2024 1:37:07 PM PDT by usurper (AI was born with a birth defect.)
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