Posted on 02/27/2023 3:45:46 PM PST by mlitefan
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis and former Vice President Mike Pence will be skipping CPAC 2023 this year as President Donald Trump delivers the keynote speech.
DeSantis and Pence will avoid the uncomfortable results of the grassroots straw poll outcome, which – given the nature of their political interests – could potentially be embarrassing for the people who are organizing their ‘stop Trump’ campaign.
After spending the weekend with billionaire donors and republicans molded purchased by the Sea Island (Big Club) influence, DeSantis will be traveling the country promoting his Rupert Murdoch funded book with stops in Texas and California. The governor is also expected in Iowa, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Georgia, according to Jacksonville News4.
The Florida governor will finish the week back in his home state as The Club for Growth is hosting DeSantis and a half-dozen presidential prospects at a closed-door retreat next weekend with GOPe top donors {Link}. Donald Trump is not invited. The meeting, organized by the multinational corporate interests of CfG, is about how to coordinate multiple candidate efforts to defeat Trump.
Additionally, details are surfacing of additional attendees at last weekend’s ritzy “influencers” event at the Four Seasons Resort in Palm Beach, hosted by DeSantis handler Christina Pushaw. According to news reports in addition to the previously recruited social media group, Laura Ingraham, Ann Coulter and Chaya Raichik (Libs of TikTok) were in attendance doing panel discussions. {link}
Sounds right. Trump and his henchmen are overplaying their hand and in the process may damage any chance of winning those 5 key states in the general.
But gosh...at least we dusted off the DeSantis crowd....dumb.
DeSatan? I don’t think that’s accurate. Do you really believe that DeSantis has lived a more sinful life than Donald Trump? Seriously.
Let’s compare the Christmas tweets between DeSantis and Trump this past year, for starters.
https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis/status/1606696204078927874?lang=en
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/109571188060799356
It is not about the life that either of them has lived.
It is about the DeSantis pretending to be MAGA, while stabbing Trump in the back.
It appears his loyalty is to “The Money”, rather than to people who have been loyal to him, as Trump was.
Well if you're going to compare one to satan, in defense of the other one, then I think the life they have both have lived should come into question, no?
It is about the DeSantis pretending to be MAGA, while stabbing Trump in the back.
Isn't that like fortune telling, on what you think might happen in the future? As of today, what exactly has DeSantis done to stab Trump in the back, other than ignore Trump's childlike attacks? He's not declared to run, and may not after all.
It appears his loyalty is to “The Money”, rather than to people who have been loyal to him, as Trump was.
People seem to have forgotten, but DeSantis was loyal to Trump, first. He was on TV almost every night defending Trump from one scandal to the next. If Trump then refused to endorse DeSantis, as Trump claims, until DeSantis had to ask for it, where was the loyalty then?
My guess is that DeSantis broke from Trump over the issues, just as I did.
>>>>It is not about the life that either of them has lived.
>>Well if you’re going to compare one to satan, in defense of the other one, then I think the life they have both have lived should come into question, no?
Loyalty is key. He stabbed Trump in the back.
>>>>It is about the DeSantis pretending to be MAGA, while stabbing Trump in the back.
>>Isn’t that like fortune telling, on what you think might happen in the future?
The company he keeps requires no fortune-telling.
>>As of today, what exactly has DeSantis done to stab Trump in the back...
DeSantis went out of his way to travel to Colorado to campaign for that vile Anti-Trumper Republican candidate Joe O’Dea. After that display of disloyalty, Trump issued his first response, correctly labeling him “ungrateful”.
>>>>It appears his loyalty is to “The Money”, rather than to people who have been loyal to him, as Trump was.
>>People seem to have forgotten, but DeSantis was loyal to Trump, first. He was on TV almost every night defending Trump from one scandal to the next. If Trump then refused to endorse DeSantis, as Trump claims, until DeSantis had to ask for it, where was the loyalty then?
What scandals? Are you labeling hoaxes as scandals? From what I have read, in the 2018 election, DeSantis drug himself over the line by tying himself to Trump.
>>My guess is that DeSantis broke from Trump over the issues, just as I did.
What issues?
That's it? That's all you have for evidence DeSantis stabbed Trump in the back? And a lot of those donors you're worried about possibly supporting DeSantis in the future, used to support Trump, and Paul Ryan back then, too. Did you know that one of Trump's biggest donors is now one of Joe Biden's biggest donors?
What issues?
Trump advertising the Vaccines one of the greatest achievements of mankind, while twisting DeSantis arm to lockdown Florida. Trump's LGBTQ parties at Mar-a-Lago celebrating the gay marriage law, after previously saying he was opposed to it. Disney being one of Trump's top 5 overall donors in both 2016 and 2020. Trump never admitting some of the J6 prisoners deserve to be there. Trump being a spendaholic and singing all those Omnibus bills, which was a big deal for DeSantis while in Congress, then Trump signing all those outrageous covid spending deals after DeSantis was governor.
They seem to have some serious disagreements over those issues, several of which for me are at the top of my list. DeSantis is clearly to the right of Trump on all of them.
DeSantis’ dalliance with the establishment is bad news.
My wife went to bed and asked me to reply for her if you reposted.
>>>>DeSantis went out of his way to travel to Colorado to campaign for that vile Anti-Trumper Republican candidate Joe O’Dea.
>>That’s it? That’s all you have for evidence DeSantis stabbed Trump in the back?
Of course! O’Dea, who got clobbered in the senate election by Michael Bennett, is a pro-abortion RINO who was the choice of the activist group, Democratic Colorado — a group known to engineer the republican primary (via propaganda) to provide a favorable opponent for the Demoncrat nominee. The Maga candidate was pro-life and very conservative.
>>And a lot of those donors you’re worried about possibly supporting DeSantis in the future, used to support Trump, and Paul Ryan back then, too.
Trump was highly critical of big-money politics. He did not ask for money from any big donors. Some, like Sheldon Adelson, Todd Ricketts and Geoffrey Palmer, donated money to supporting PACs, anyway. Trump could have gotten along just fine with grass roots donations.
>>Did you know that one of Trump’s biggest donors is now one of Joe Biden’s biggest donors?
Which donor?
>>>>What issues?
>>Trump advertising the Vaccines one of the greatest achievements of mankind, while twisting DeSantis arm to lockdown Florida.
Trump believed what Pence’s team of scientists told him. Trump also knew it was a bio-virus from Wuhan, and, in the beginning he had no idea how dangerous it was. What would you had done, without hindsight?
>>Trump’s LGBTQ parties at Mar-a-Lago celebrating the gay marriage law, after previously saying he was opposed to it.
I, too, thought that was pretty dumb.
>>Disney being one of Trump’s top 5 overall donors in both 2016 and 2020.
Organizations cannot contribute to candidates or party committees. Disney, and its employees as individuals, contributed $11,759,125, with individuals contributing $11,394,635 of that amount. $7,334,945 went to the Great America and Conservative Solutions Pacs, and the Republican National Committee. The rest went to Democrat Pacs and committees. Hillary’s personal campaign received over $500,000 — Trump’s personal campaign received $0.
>>Trump never admitting some of the J6 prisoners deserve to be there.
?? Did you phrase that correctly?
>>Trump being a spendaholic and singing all those Omnibus bills, which was a big deal for DeSantis while in Congress, then Trump signing all those outrageous covid spending deals after DeSantis was governor.
The economy was great. Trump was able to rebuild the military (after 8 years of Obama’s depletion,) eliminate our dependence on foreign oil, and reduce the horrendous trade imbalance. If not for McCain, there would be no Obamacare to plague us. Naturally the scam-demic was a setback, but the economy recovered quickly. Overall, Trump increased the debt from $14,167,624 at the end of 2016 to $21,016,669 at the end of 2020, with over $4 trillion of that debt imposed in his last year, during the scam-demic ($16,800,700 at the end of 2019 to $21,016,669 at the end of 2020).
>>They seem to have some serious disagreements over those issues, several of which for me are at the top of my list. DeSantis is clearly to the right of Trump on all of them.
DeSantis is our governor, and he has done a great job. But aside from his disloyalty to Trump, he has surrounded himself with some very nasty RINOs whom he will be beholden to if he becomes president. Trump is also a highly successful businessman who knows how to run an economy, and he is beholden to no one except out of personal, not financial, loyalty.
I believe you mentioned (unfavorably?) Trump’s support for the first DeSantis governor race. The facts are, Trump came out strong and early for DeSantis in a Dec 22, 2017 Tweet, officially endorsed him in a June 22, 2018 Tweet, and campaigned for him in the July 31, 2018 Tampa Rally. This is the transcript of his speech at the rally:
DeSantis won a close race and recount by about 30,000 votes.
Mr. Kalamata
I remember you both quite well, back from when I used to support Trump on here. You may recall we live in a similar part of Florida, that is very conservative.
O’Dea
I don't care for O'Dea myself, but do you really think the muzzie Oz was any better? Why does Trump expect everyone to bow down before him like he's some sort of deity? Does this not make you uncomfortable? Isn't that demand of idolization more like the satan reference you dropped on DeSantis?
Trump was highly critical of big-money politics. He did not ask for money from any big donors...Trump could have gotten along just fine with grass roots donations.
That's just simply not correct, and you should know better. There's plenty of articles out there about how Trump was courting big money donors while simply playing an act that he didn't need them. It's typical for Trump, say one thing, do another. That behavior is one of the main reasons why he's not getting any big money this time, at least not so far. And if he solely has to rely on grass roots donors, he has no chance of winning.
Trump believed what Pence’s team of scientists told him. Trump also knew it was a bio-virus from Wuhan, and, in the beginning he had no idea how dangerous it was. What would you had done, without hindsight?
Trump has claimed MANY times in interviews he overruled Fauci on the warp speed vaccine, which Fauci said should take years to properly test. Is Trump lying?
I was quite vocal on this site that the Covid was overhyped and no worse than the flu. Scamdemic. What Trump unleashed on us was horrible. Lockdowns. Free rent by EO. No student loans by EO. Ventilators that killed countless by EO. New policies that allow fast tracking of all drugs now. Not stopping gain of function, or ever even mentioning the words. And not one regret.
I, too, thought that was pretty dumb.
It wasn't dumb, it IS evil to support gay marriage. Sort of like satan, since you brought up the comparison?
Did you phrase that correctly?
Yes, Trump and his supporters have attacked DeSantis for simply saying those that broke the law deserve to be punished. This is conservative thinking. Yet in Trump's world, people smashing into the capital and taking selfie's in the Speaker's office are heroes. How would you have felt if Al Gore had a riot on the day of the elector vote and a black man had pictured himself at Newt Gingrich's desk. Hero, or outlaw?
DeSantis is our governor, and he has done a great job.
Your wife called him DeSatan, which I objected to. Based on all these long posts you are still standing by that, sadly. I ask you again, compare the two men using the Bible as your reference. Ready to go down that road in detail?
>>I don’t care for O’Dea myself, but do you really think the muzzie Oz was any better? Why does Trump expect everyone to bow down before him like he’s some sort of deity? Does this not make you uncomfortable? Isn’t that demand of idolization more like the satan reference you dropped on DeSantis?<<
Don’t be silly. The only game in town for the left (which includes RINOs) is to get rid of Trump; and they will do that by any means necessary, including voter fraud, endless litigation and slander, and even buying the support of a well-known conservative to oppose him.
It is true that Trump is not as pure as Jesus Christ (although many conservatives foolishly expect him to be.) But he is the only one with the political and economic skills, and conservative infrastructure, that can stop our republic from falling off a cliff; and he is the only one who is not beholden to the left (which includes RINOs) — that is, he cannot be bought!
As for Oz, there were not a lot of choices in a heavily-democrat-controlled state. As an aside, I seem to recall that Oz opposed Fauci’s “strategy.”
My wife’s distrust of DeSantis was initially precipitated by his outrageous support for O’Dea, and his cumulative friendliness with the Bush’s, Ryan, McConnell, Club for Growth, and other RINO’s, which is short-sighted. In general, she believes they are playing him like a fiddle. Perhaps DeSatan was a little harsh. DePlayed may be more appropriate. We shall see.
>>>>Trump was highly critical of big-money politics. He did not ask for money from any big donors...Trump could have gotten along just fine with grass roots donations.<<<
>>That’s just simply not correct, and you should know better. There’s plenty of articles out there about how Trump was courting big money donors while simply playing an act that he didn’t need them. It’s typical for Trump, say one thing, do another. That behavior is one of the main reasons why he’s not getting any big money this time, at least not so far. And if he solely has to rely on grass roots donors, he has no chance of winning.”
I would be interested in reading some of those articles from conservative outlets.
>>>>Trump believed what Pence’s team of scientists told him. Trump also knew it was a bio-virus from Wuhan, and, in the beginning he had no idea how dangerous it was. What would you had done, without hindsight?
>>Trump has claimed MANY times in interviews he overruled Fauci on the warp speed vaccine, which Fauci said should take years to properly test. Is Trump lying?
Perhaps, at least in the beginning. But in a press briefing on April 1, 2020, when asked how long it would take (e.g., weeks, or months,) Fauci said,
“Yeah, no, it takes at least months. At least months. At least. So, I mean, that’s the reason why you’re seeing a lot of activity with drugs that already exist for other purposes, because they’re already there. But the drugs that you want to show in a good randomized clinical trial, at very best, they’re going to take months.”
I am not sure what Fauci said before or after that, since he was all over the place.
>>I was quite vocal on this site that the Covid was overhyped and no worse than the flu. Scamdemic. What Trump unleashed on us was horrible. Lockdowns. Free rent by EO. No student loans by EO. Ventilators that killed countless by EO. New policies that allow fast tracking of all drugs now. Not stopping gain of function, or ever even mentioning the words. And not one regret.<<
I try to stay out of the weeds. I was a victim of Covid, spending 4 weeks in ICU, and 4 more weeks in a rehabilitation hospital. I was scheduled to go on a ventilator within a few days after being admitted (almost certain death for someone my age;) but by the grace of God my O2 requirement reversed, and I began to recover. My lungs will be scarred for the rest of my life, but I am able to do things I never thought I could do again.
Do I blame Trump. Hell no! I blame the bioweapon labs, that is, those who own and operate them.
With that aside, one thing I will never forget is Trump won the 2020 election by at least 30 million votes, but had the presidency stripped from him by deep-state coup. Trump scares the daylights out of those gangsters because they know he can not only expose them, but even jail them, and, most of all, derail their gravy train.
>>>>I, too, thought that was pretty dumb.
>>It wasn’t dumb, it IS evil to support gay marriage. Sort of like satan, since you brought up the comparison?
I am continually reminded of these words of wisdom: “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”
I certainly did not agree with Trump on that point, but I am focused on the big picture. More generally, I support anyone the left hates, since everything the left does is in opposition to God; and there is no one on the planet that the left hates more than Trump.
>>Yes, Trump and his supporters have attacked DeSantis for simply saying those that broke the law deserve to be punished. This is conservative thinking. Yet in Trump’s world, people smashing into the capital and taking selfie’s in the Speaker’s office are heroes. How would you have felt if Al Gore had a riot on the day of the elector vote and a black man had pictured himself at Newt Gingrich’s desk. Hero, or outlaw?
I have heard similar arguments from the left. In fact, one of my acquaintances — a die-hard NPR groupie — used exactly those arguments in condemning Trump.
We still do not have all the evidence, but I believe that when it is made available we will see that the J6 so-called “insurrection” was a planned false flag operation. We keep the J6 political prisoners in our continuous prayers.
>>>>DeSantis is our governor, and he has done a great job.
>>Your wife called him DeSatan, which I objected to.
If he is in bed with those financially backing him, which appears to be so, then that is an appropriate label.
>>Based on all these long posts you are still standing by that, sadly. I ask you again, compare the two men using the Bible as your reference. Ready to go down that road in detail?
You bet.
Mr. Kalamata
Are you aware Trump collected $250 Million under the pretense it would be used to secure elections, but has since used that money for everything else under the sun except securing elections? I defended him here in January of 2021, when some Freepers were claiming that Trump would sneak off with that money and do nothing to secure elections, but turns out they were right, which played a big part in me no longer trusting Trump.
endless litigation
So Trump is 100% innocent in your eyes, on everything he's being investigated over right now? You have no issue with him asking the Governor of Georgia to "recalculate"and "find" him 11,000 votes? No issues with him taking classified documents home he claims he declassified, but never submitted any documentation for any of it? No issues with disrupting the electoral college vote when he already knew the vote count and that Pence wasn't going to stretch the interpretation of the Constitution in ways even evil Democrats hadn't tried yet? What about the woman accusing him of rape, who bears such a resemblance to Trump's first wife he couldn't tell the difference in pictures of them during his deposition? Just walk up, and grab them by the _____ right? Isn't that his famous quote? Sound like satan, or are you still insisting that's DeSantis?
even buying the support of a well-known conservative to oppose him.
So you're still not willing to admit that DeSantis is to the right of Trump, on vaccines, lockdowns, LGBTQ support, deficit spending, etc? You can't accept that DeSantis and others like me might have left Trump over the issues?
he is the only one who is not beholden to the left (which includes RINOs) — that is, he cannot be bought!
Trump's has been completely dependent on foreign banks financing him, through countless bankruptcies. Duestche Bank has been his main source, from Germany, well known for Russian investors and money laundering. George Soros, the Rothschilds, all prominent in bailing Trump out or financing his new buildings. Even the Chinese helped setup his new Truth Social company, does that sound like someone who is independently wealthy? No, because he is not, it's simply another fable he's built around himself.
Perhaps DeSatan was a little harsh.
A little, when compared to the narcissistic serial adulterer married 3 times now Trump? Who said in an interview he never asks for forgiveness? Who even thinks something like that, much less say it out loud?
Do I blame Trump. Hell no! I blame the bioweapon labs, that is, those who own and operate them.
I'm glad you were able to recover. However, why are you not outraged that gain of function research was re-instated in 2018 under Trump's administration? Why are you not outraged that he's never even mentioned the words "gain of function" but has instead only ever tried to blame China, when they were doing contract work for HIS administration? Why are you not outraged that he never issued an EO to block gain of function? And are you aware he tried to install Bill Gates as the Chief Scientist of the White House? Gates turned him down, but Trump tried.
If he is in bed with those financially backing him, which appears to be so
Based on what? I just gave you specific examples of Trump's FOREIGN sources of all his money, including George Soros. Your phantom donors to DeSantis are worse?
You bet.
You are really going to try to claim Trump has lived a more morally Biblical life than DeSantis? How?
I really don’t think any of this is getting through to you, you seem set in your ways that “only Trump” is worthy of anyone’s support, despite all his horrible appointments and decisions to support vaccines, lockdowns, queers, and the Cloward Piven bankrupting of America. You’ve fallen prey to his Wizard of Oz act.
I think this article sums it up well. Once again, who even thinks like this, much less says it out loud? Yet DeSantis is satan?
Donald Trump: ‘I could shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters’
Republican frontrunner is so supremely confident that he believes he could commit murder and maintain his lead over his opponents.
Trump, the New York billionaire and former reality TV star who has been virtually impervious to attacks from his opponents, pushed the limits of his political rhetoric again in Sioux Center, Iowa.
“I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters (Kalamata etc)” he said.
Trump has become a hard target to criticise because not all of his supporters are conservatives, and many are most interested in his projection of strength, not where he stands on a particular issue.
>>>>voter fraud
>>Are you aware Trump collected $250 Million under the pretense it would be used to secure elections, but has since used that money for everything else under the sun except securing elections?
How exactly does one go about securing elections?
I am aware that the so-called J6 “Destroy Trump” Committee, along with NPR, NYT, Newsweak, and a gazillion other left wing propaganda outlets, accused him of wrongdoing in that fundraiser. I am also aware that the fund-raising emails said that a large portion would go to the Save America PAC, which it did (That PAC targeted Liz Cheney for defeat. Good job!) I am also aware that every left-wing political outlet hates the Save America PAC, which seems to indicate the PAC is supporting conservative policies, including fighting voter fraud. I have read that one of reason for the PAC is to provide an avenue for Trump supporters to receive and control conservative donations, rather than the RNC.
Where do you get your information?
>>I defended him here in January of 2021, when some Freepers were claiming that Trump would sneak off with that money and do nothing to secure elections, but turns out they were right, which played a big part in me no longer trusting Trump.
I guess it all boils down to who do you trust? I trust Trump because he has a 40 year track record of supporting America and the Constitution. I also recognize he did a wonderful job as president, despite him and some of his team members being targeted and smeared by every branch of the deep state, including the media and some foreign players. Moreso, he performed his economic recovery without a supporting Attorney General, who bailed on Trump almost as soon as he took office (Sessions.)
Trump has a long track record of supporting the needy behinds-the-scenes when the cameras are off, and he worked for nothing as President, donating his salary to needy causes. Name one President other than Trump (and perhaps Harry Truman) who left the presidency worse off financially than when he entered office. In contrast, Obama inherited a $60 million book deal from Pearson Publishing, the same Pearson Publishing that received a $350 million publishing contract from the Obama administration for Common Core books. How ironic is that?
>>>>endless litigation
>>So Trump is 100% innocent in your eyes, on everything he’s being investigated over right now?
Thus far, yes. I suspect he will be 100% exonerated. Trump is not stupid; he knew he would be targeted by the crony-capitalist gangster class, and thus he knew he had to remain “squeaky clean” if he ever decided to run for president. By “squeaky clean,” I mean to dot every “i” and cross every “t”. Think about it: after years of being investigated by the most corrupt jackasses in government, there is still no conviction? Perhaps they will get a conviction on Trump for jaywalking. That scheme worked well against Ashli Babbit’s mom.
>>You have no issue with him asking the Governor of Georgia to “recalculate”and “find” him 11,000 votes?”
None whatsoever. Another mountain out of a molehill.
>>No issues with him taking classified documents home he claims he declassified, but never submitted any documentation for any of it?
If I didn’t know better, I would think I was reading NPR propaganda. According to Trump officials, Trump declassified all of those documents, which he had every right to do; and they were stored in a safe place in his home under lock and key (the FBI was well-aware of that fact.) You have been drinking the deep-state Koolaid. Sad.
>>No issues with disrupting the electoral college vote when he already knew the vote count and that Pence wasn’t going to stretch the interpretation of the Constitution in ways even evil Democrats hadn’t tried yet?
Have you ever read this? U.S. Constitution, Section 4 - Republican government: “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government”
A republican form of government means, among other things, each citizen shall cast one vote (and one vote only) for each of their senators, for their respective representatives, and for the President, as well as in state and local elections. If there is any evidence of voter fraud in a state, that state’s electors cannot be lawfully certified. There was massive, documented voter fraud in the 2020 and 2022 elections. Certainly you are aware of that fact.
>>What about the woman accusing him of rape, who bears such a resemblance to Trump’s first wife he couldn’t tell the difference in pictures of them during his deposition?
Have any men been falsely accused of rape? Considering the media circus that plagued Trump, is possible he was falsely accused? Just asking...
>> Just walk up, and grab them by the _____ right? Isn’t that his famous quote? Sound like satan, or are you still insisting that’s DeSantis?”
That is run-of-the-mill “locker room” talk.
>>>>even buying the support of a well-known conservative to oppose him.
>>So you’re still not willing to admit that DeSantis is to the right of Trump, on vaccines, lockdowns, LGBTQ support, deficit spending, etc? You can’t accept that DeSantis and others like me might have left Trump over the issues?
No, I am saying that DeSantis’ list of supporters is not what would be expected of a conservative candidate.
>>>>he is the only one who is not beholden to the left (which includes RINOs) — that is, he cannot be bought!
>>Trump’s has been completely dependent on foreign banks financing him, through countless bankruptcies. Duestche Bank has been his main source, from Germany, well known for Russian investors and money laundering. George Soros, the Rothschilds, all prominent in bailing Trump out or financing his new buildings. Even the Chinese helped setup his new Truth Social company, does that sound like someone who is independently wealthy? No, because he is not, it’s simply another fable he’s built around himself.
You have every left-wing talking point down pat.
>>>>Perhaps DeSatan was a little harsh.
>>A little, when compared to the narcissistic serial adulterer married 3 times now Trump? Who said in an interview he never asks for forgiveness? Who even thinks something like that, much less say it out loud?
The fourth Rule for Radicals is:
“Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”
You learned well.
>>>>Do I blame Trump. Hell no! I blame the bioweapon labs, that is, those who own and operate them.
>>I’m glad you were able to recover. However, why are you not outraged that gain of function research was re-instated in 2018 under Trump’s administration? Why are you not outraged that he’s never even mentioned the words “gain of function” but has instead only ever tried to blame China, when they were doing contract work for HIS administration?”
On whose orders was the “gain of function” research reinstated? This Lancet article on rescinding the ban doesn’t mention Trump; but it does mention the bureaucratic NIH:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099%2818%2930006-9/fulltext
>>Why are you not outraged that he never issued an EO to block gain of function?
I seriously doubt he knew what it was. Builders typically do not keep up with the science-of-the-day.
>>And are you aware he tried to install Bill Gates as the Chief Scientist of the White House? Gates turned him down, but Trump tried.
LOL! That conversation occurred in 2018 (pre-pandemic) in which the topic of the vacant position of science advisor came up. Gates conceded that he was not sure if the offer was serious, or not. According to Gates, “I didn’t put him to the test, whether that was a serious thing or not. He probably himself didn’t know if he was serious. It was a friendly thing. He was being friendly.”
>>>>If he is in bed with those financially backing him, which appears to be so
>>Based on what? I just gave you specific examples of Trump’s FOREIGN sources of all his money, including George Soros. Your phantom donors to DeSantis are worse?
Soros gave money to many GOP candidates. How much did he give to Trump’s campaign? Let me help you out. Of the $7 million George Soros donated in the 2016 presidential election, he gave 100% to Hillary Clinton’s campaign.
Regarding DeSantis, George Soros labeled him “shrewed, ruthless, and ambitious.” Soros predicted that if DeSantis and Trump “slug it out” in the presidential race, the democrats would win in a landslide. Does Soros want DeSantis to run? You figure it out.
>>You are really going to try to claim Trump has lived a more morally Biblical life than DeSantis? How?”
Trump’s life is an open book, including his role as a master builder. I know virtually nothing about DeSantis’ past, except that he was a lawyer.
I thought you wanted to discuss the Bible? LOL!
Mr. Kalamata
You posted twice before waiting for me to respond to your first post. Are you not aware that is a sign of a desperate troll?
>>I really don’t think any of this is getting through to you, you seem set in your ways that “only Trump” is worthy of anyone’s support, despite all his horrible appointments and decisions to support vaccines, lockdowns, queers, and the Cloward Piven bankrupting of America. You’ve fallen prey to his Wizard of Oz act.
I am certain what I am saying is not getting through to you. Everything claim you make against Trump is a well-established left-wing talking point. I would expect a conservative to be at least suspicious of them, but you seem to thrive on them.
>>I think this article sums it up well. Once again, who even thinks like this, much less says it out loud? Yet DeSantis is satan? Donald Trump: ‘I could shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters” ... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/24/donald-trump-says-he-could-shoot-somebody-and-still-not-lose-voters . . . Republican frontrunner is so supremely confident that he believes he could commit murder and maintain his lead over his opponents.
All you have demonstrated is Trump has a sense of humor, and that you thrive on left-wing talking points. For the record, Google labels “the Guardian” as “left of center.” That is a serious accusation by Google who believes hard-core socialism is politically moderate.
>>Trump, the New York billionaire and former reality TV star who has been virtually impervious to attacks from his opponents, pushed the limits of his political rhetoric again in Sioux Center, Iowa. “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters (Kalamata etc)” he said.”
Again, Trump has a sense of humor, and you do not. It is also well-known that leftists rarely have a sense of humor.
>>Trump has become a hard target to criticise because not all of his supporters are conservatives, and many are most interested in his projection of strength, not where he stands on a particular issue
America needs a strong President with a business sense.
Mr. Kalamata
>>>> How exactly does one go about securing elections?
Wow. After you spent post after post, trying to claim that Trump is the most superhuman incomparable politician without equal, you’re now reduced to this, in defense of Trump taking that $250M meant for election security and spending it feeding his ego instead.
To secure elections, you have to work on it, not just whine, like Trump. You do like DeSantis did in Florida, working to change the laws through partnerships in government. Since Trump has alienated most everyone, and has no real partners anymore, he could at least create an organization like True the Vote, which works to secure elections. Or at least donate to them. But nah, this is Trump, so that money is all going to build up his phony image instead.
>>>>I am also aware that the fund-raising emails said that a large portion would go to the Save America PAC, which it did.
It was deceitful. Read it for yourself:
The ‘big rip-off’: how Trump exploited his fans with ‘election defense’ fund
“Friend,” it began. “The Democrats are trying to STEAL the Election. I’ve activated the Official Election Defense Fund and I need EVERY PATRIOT, including YOU, to step up and make sure we have enough resources to PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF OUR ELECTION.”
Over the next nine weeks Trump bombarded his loyal followers with a blitzkrieg of emails, sometimes 25 in a single day.
They were sent under several different names – from Trump himself, his sons Don Jr and Eric, the former speaker of the House of Representatives Newt Gingrich, the current chair of the Republican National Committee Ronna McDaniel, and then vice-president Mike Pence.
Despite the nuances, all the millions of emails sent out from the @victory.donaldtrump.com address essentially said the same thing. They exhorted Trump supporters to back the “Official Election Defense Fund” with their hard-earned dollars.
>>>> Where do you get your information?
As I said, it was being discussed here in January of 2021, and like you are now, I was under Trump’s spell at the time, and argued with other posters that Trump would never steal that money. How wrong I was, just as you are now. Articles like this were already out way back then:
Trump Raised $250 Million Since Election To Challenge Outcome—Here’s Where Most Of The Money Will Actually Go
Jan 31, 2021
>>>> NPR propaganda...every left-wing talking point...Rule for Radicals...
Nope, I am attacking Trump from the RIGHT, not left. I don’t approve of his big government, big spending, LGBTQ agenda built on lies and stealing donations you are so proud of. I find it appalling, and insulting.
>>>> On whose orders was the “gain of function” research reinstated?
The White House ultimately has control over that decision, via the Chief Scientist and HHS Secretary. It was made at near the exact time that Trump was courting Bill Gates for the Chief Scientist role at the White House.
>>>> I seriously doubt he knew what it was.
Once again, your superhero idol is reduced to ignorance below the average Freeper, as we were discussing that issue hot and heavy every day here at that time. Even the dementia patient Biden knows what gain of function is, yet Trump doesn’t? How pathetic must Trump be, even in your eyes, to be so ignorant on such an important topic?
Biden Still Supports Gain-of-Function Research Despite Potential Covid Links
>>>> Soros gave money to many GOP candidates. How much did he give to Trump’s campaign?
Try $160M to help fund Trump’s Chicago tower. Yet you so far have NOTHING but empty claims on DeSantis. NOTHING.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2004-10-28-0410280265-story.html
Donald Trump has lined up three New York hedge funds, including money from billionaire George Soros, to invest $160 million in his Chicago skyscraper, a key piece in perhaps the largest construction financing in the city’s history, according to real estate sources and public documents.
>>>> desperate troll
Desperate? All I’ve done is compile a book of the lies and sins of Donald Trump, that you will excuse no matter what. I haven’t even mentioned his well known and admitted close friendship with Jeffery Epstein, and the fact the main witness against him was recruited right there in Mar-a-Lago, but I’m sure your denial runs deep for that whole escapade too. Trump even appointed Alex Azar into his cabinet, who was most famous for letting Epstein off in Florida for the original child sex charges. Small world, huh.
>>>> Everything claim you make against Trump is a well-established left-wing talking point.
I’m coming from the right my friend, every thing I have listed is an anathema to Christian and conservative values. You’re the one defending the lifelong liberal from New York and all his fancy lies, not me.
>>>> Again, Trump has a sense of humor, and you do not.
Oh, so know you’re even willing to defend Trump’s talk of murder in the street, and how his supporters are so brainwashed they would still support him. Obviously we have you as Exhibit A. As I said, my disdain for Trump is from my Christian conservative background, and I would never defend a statement made like that from a politician, I don’t care who they are. They are elected to defend the laws of the country, ideally the laws of the Bible. Yet you support him making a mockery of both.
Reply or not, I am done with this thread. There is nothing else to be gained debating with you, being someone who would excuse Trump for shooting someone in the street, just as he demands. The people that defend such sinful talk upset me almost as much as the glutton himself. Good day.
Bingo...Angering 70+ million MAGA folks is really a stupid move on DeSantis part. He'll be likely be shunned on the national level if he ever decides to run for POTUS.
"Handler"?
you have this backwards...
trump’s “operation warped speech” against desantis for doing things right for us floridians is a losing strategy...
you people look like hypocrites...
Already half of them are not happy with DeSantis political divisive games. And if this guy decides to go up against Trump in '24, the majority of Trump supporters would never support him. In fact, if DeSantis decides to go against Trump in '24, it's my belief that doing so will kill his future chances on the national level.
Do yourself a favor and stay far away from the political consulting biz.
>>>> How exactly does one go about securing elections?
>>Wow. After you spent post after post, trying to claim that Trump is the most superhuman incomparable politician without equal, you’re now reduced to this, in defense of Trump taking that $250M meant for election security and spending it feeding his ego instead.
How exactly did Trump spend it to feed his ego?
>>To secure elections, you have to work on it, not just whine, like Trump. You do like DeSantis did in Florida, working to change the laws through partnerships in government.
Are you suggesting Trump “reach across the aisle?” Perhaps Trump should have been nicer to James Comey and Christopher Ray.
>>Since Trump has alienated most everyone, and has no real partners anymore, he could at least create an organization like True the Vote, which works to secure elections. Or at least donate to them. But nah, this is Trump, so that money is all going to build up his phony image instead.
Trump has embraced True the Vote and their film “2000 Mules.” D’Souza is a devout Trump supporter. Perhaps you have been confused by so-called “Fact Checkers.”
>>I am also aware that the fund-raising emails said that a large portion would go to the Save America PAC, which it did. It was deceitful. Read it for yourself: The ‘big rip-off’: how Trump exploited his fans with ‘election defense’ fund . . . https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/18/donald-trump-election-defense-fundraising-defrauded-fans
The Guardian, again? LOL! Perhaps you are upset that the Save America PAC will absorb many of the donations that previously went to the RINO-supporting RNC.
I know of one conservative outlet that says the creation of the Save America PAC is both strategic and smart. What do other conservative media outlets say? Do you know of any conservative media outlets? You have not quoted any.
>>Despite the nuances, all the millions of emails sent out from the @victory.donaldtrump.com address essentially said the same thing. They exhorted Trump supporters to back the “Official Election Defense Fund” with their hard-earned dollars.
Other than wasting one’s time “crossing the aisle,” do you have any other suggestions on how to end election fraud?
>>>> Where do you get your information?
>>As I said, it was being discussed here in January of 2021, and like you are now, I was under Trump’s spell at the time, and argued with other posters that Trump would never steal that money. How wrong I was, just as you are now. Articles like this were already out way back then: Trump Raised $250 Million Since Election To Challenge Outcome—Here’s Where Most Of The Money Will Actually Go. Jan 31, 2021... https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/01/31/trump-raised-250-million-since-election-to-challenge-outcome-heres-where-most-of-the-money-will-actually-go/?sh=10e708368824
First the Guardian, and now the Never-Trump Forbes mag? LOL!
BTW, I had previously read that Forbes article by Jemima McEnvoy. One of her goto sources was Philip Bump of the Washington Post. Isn’t Bump one of those far-left hacks who claimed the Hunter Laptop story was disinformation?
>>>> NPR propaganda...every left-wing talking point...Rule for Radicals...
>>Nope, I am attacking Trump from the RIGHT, not left. I don’t approve of his big government, big spending, LGBTQ agenda built on lies and stealing donations you are so proud of. I find it appalling, and insulting.”
Conservatives do not attack conservative using far-left talking points
>>>> On whose orders was the “gain of function” research reinstated?
>>The White House ultimately has control over that decision, via the Chief Scientist and HHS Secretary. It was made at near the exact time that Trump was courting Bill Gates for the Chief Scientist role at the White House.”
Are you saying that Trump should have been a micromanager? That makes no sense.
And why the exaggeration about Gates? According to Gates own statements, Trump was not “courting” him to be the science advisor. Gates said Trump was merely responding to a statement by Gates that the administration needed a science advisor. Trump asked him if he wanted the job, Gates said no, and that was the end of it.
>>>> I seriously doubt he knew what it was.
>>Once again, your superhero idol is reduced to ignorance below the average Freeper, as we were discussing that issue hot and heavy every day here at that time. Even the dementia patient Biden knows what gain of function is, yet Trump doesn’t? How pathetic must Trump be, even in your eyes, to be so ignorant on such an important topic?
Most everyone knows what gain of function means now, but what about back in 2018? The bureaucrats were not exactly keeping Trump informed — misinformed, perhaps, but not informed.
>>Biden Still Supports Gain-of-Function Research Despite Potential Covid Links: https://www.nationalreview.com/news/biden-still-supports-gain-of-function-research-despite-potential-covid-links/
I have a link that alleges Fauci misled Trump about gain of function research in Wuhan:
I have the book by Markson that is referenced in the article.
>>>> Soros gave money to many GOP candidates. How much did he give to Trump’s campaign?
>>Try $160M to help fund Trump’s Chicago tower. Yet you so far have NOTHING but empty claims on DeSantis. NOTHING. . . . Donald Trump has lined up three New York hedge funds, including money from billionaire George Soros, to invest $160 million in his Chicago skyscraper, a key piece in perhaps the largest construction financing in the city’s history, according to real estate sources and public documents.
That was a business deal, not a political campaign donation! Geesh! Have you seen the Trump Tower in Chicago?
https://rfp.selecthotelsresorts.com/hotels/80530.jpg
Not bad, huh? There are 10 Trump towers in various parts of the world. Now, tell us, what has DeSantis produced?
>>>> desperate troll
>>Desperate? All I’ve done is compile a book of the lies and sins of Donald Trump, that you will excuse no matter what.
“Spins” is a more accurate characterization than “lies and sins.”
>>I haven’t even mentioned his well known and admitted close friendship with Jeffery Epstein, and the fact the main witness against him was recruited right there in Mar-a-Lago, but I’m sure your denial runs deep for that whole escapade too.
Trump and Epstein were friends for about 20 years. They were neighbors in Palm Beach, and attended the same parties. Big deal.
I am unfamiliar with the 2nd part. I have heard that Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago in about 2008 for hitting on the daughter of one of the members.
>>Trump even appointed Alex Azar into his cabinet, who was most famous for letting Epstein off in Florida for the original child sex charges. Small world, huh.”
It is too big for you. It was not until July 2019 that the indictment was unsealed by federal prosecutors. Acosta resigned as Labor Secretary about a week later.
>>>> Everything claim you make against Trump is a well-established left-wing talking point.
>>I’m coming from the right my friend, every thing I have listed is an anathema to Christian and conservative values. You’re the one defending the lifelong liberal from New York and all his fancy lies, not me.
That is another left-wing talking point. At least 35 years ago Trump stated publically that he supported the platform of the Republican Party. This is a Larry King interview of Trump in 1987:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8wJc7vHcTs
This is a Rona Barrett interview in 1980:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAgJAxkALyc
This is Oprah in 1988:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI
>>>> Again, Trump has a sense of humor, and you do not.
>>Oh, so know you’re even willing to defend Trump’s talk of murder in the street, and how his supporters are so brainwashed they would still support him.
That is silly. The left loves “conservatives” like you. Have you seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XoS-s4DIGE
>>Obviously we have you as Exhibit A. As I said, my disdain for Trump is from my Christian conservative background, and I would never defend a statement made like that from a politician, I don’t care who they are.
You should try finding better fact checkers if you wish to qualify as a Christian Conservative. Thus far you appear to be little more than a gossiper and leftwing hack.
>>They are elected to defend the laws of the country, ideally the laws of the Bible. Yet you support him making a mockery of both.
I support Trump because I believe he is the only that can and will clean up this mess, if given the chance.
>>Reply or not, I am done with this thread. There is nothing else to be gained debating with you, being someone who would excuse Trump for shooting someone in the street, just as he demands. The people that defend such sinful talk upset me almost as much as the glutton himself. Good day.
Don’t let the screen door hit you in the butt on the way out.
Mr. Kalamata
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