Posted on 09/30/2022 9:12:01 PM PDT by BlackFemaleArmyColonel
Does it. It would seem this church should disappear and the congregants are doing the right thing in voting with their feet.
This post is probably going to get pulled. I’m sorry for whatever trials your church body is dealing with. God’s will always prevails.
Two suggestions, first call the police and second call the FBI. Let the chips fall where they may.
Sorry, the IRS
I thought Gofundme was a leftist company.
The congregation needs a lawyer.
I was asked to sign up to view the go fund me campaign for the congregants or to create an account. Never had that happen before. Weird.
Go to the local DA. It is a crime
Assuming that there are is s clear basis upon which to make the allegations of fraud, here is the simple free solution...
Everyone should stop giving to this church immediately and attend elsewhere until full, open transparency of the financial records, as revealed by a thorough and independent forensic accounting firm, selected by the congregation, paid for by church leadership out of their operating budget, is provided to every member who has donated. It is not, nor should it be the financial burden of the congregants to fund an audit.
If the ministry lacks transparency, all your concerns are answered in this simple fact and obvious answer.
Nobody needs gfm to accomplish this. And, by the way, doesn’t gfm take a % cut of the donations...kind like a tithe and does anyone else find this an ironic twist to this whole fundraising scheme?
In civil matters, the only ones who win are those being paid by billable hours. Lawyers are not in business to solve your problems, they are in business for billable hours and quick, efficient problem solving is not profitable for their practice...the missing $300k might end up looking like chump change when this is all over.
Further, please look into what the NT says about law suits among believers. What you’ll learn is in direct conflict with this appeal for money to fund such an undertaking.
If the church refuses to comply, find another church. If there’s a problem it will self correct.
Before you invest money in a lawsuit, you need to be reasonably sure there is actually money you can recover.
If the church leadership already spent it, or they lost it in a bad investment, your lawsuit is pointless, unless you want to put them jail, which will not bring your money back, either.
The bible tells us repeatedly to not be decieved. It is up to each one of us to be careful how we spend money. Who we support.
Sorry, I do not support communist gofundme. If they used givesendgo....
“I thought Gofundme was a leftist company.”
It is. If they disapprove of the person or organization receiving funds they’ll confiscate the money donated and give it to a woke cause. They stole the money given to the trucker convoy in Canada.
Sounds like the congregation isn’t up to speed on these things. Good stewardship of God’s gifts requires basic knowledge of what’s going on the world.
Conservative GiveSendGo was created specifically to counter the pro-left company.
Asking help in going to secular courts to sue is a direct violation of 1 Corinthians 6. There are only two biblical avenues to address this. If the church is organized on an elder basis with other local elders to whom they are accountable, then a appeal to them. If not, as is sadly the case in the USA with churches being congregational to the point of atomization, then WALK AWAY. They are blind guides, leave them alone.
You cannot violate the clear command of God by going to court in front of unbelievers and expect God to “bless” you. If preservation of a spangledy building with all the money you poured into it ... if that means more to you than obedience to God, then go for it. I wish you well and hope you “succeed” and get to keep your pretty baubles. Do not imagine that God will be in it, though.
He doesn’t say these things just to hear Himself make a noise.
The “clear command of God” is that Christians should not sue other Christians.
If TPTB in a church are stealing money, we must assume they are NOT Christians (”by their fruits...”). Just because they hold office in a church doesn’t mean they’re saved.
“I wish you well and hope you ‘succeed’ and get to keep your pretty baubles.”
Huh? What does that even MEAN?
Religion is free...
Amen. I said the same them. Something isn’t right.
I will let them know.
If you have a pronouncement by the church (a la Matt 18) where the person is excommunicated, then that response (they are not Christians) is justified.
THERE IS A REASON why these things are demanded in scripture.
I am sick to the gills of biblically ignorant (or worse, biblically unconcerned) Christians running around determined they know better than what God specifically commands.
The “keeping your pretty baubles” refers to what is always the issue here, which is all that MONEY that went into the building. What else?
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