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Read Freddie deBoer on how and why the most bipartisan, trans-ideological, lockstep US consensus in decades has arisen over the war in Ukraine and the US role in it [tr]
Twitter ^ | 4/18/22 | Glenn Greenwald

Posted on 04/18/2022 11:30:23 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...

...and the reasons why there is less space for any debate or dissent since at least 2002: [link to deBoer article at URL and below]

(Excerpt) Read more at mobile.twitter.com ...


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1 posted on 04/18/2022 11:30:23 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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Just like WWI.


2 posted on 04/18/2022 11:31:02 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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People Just Want to Feel Good About War Again

https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/people-just-want-to-feel-good-about?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo4NzE5ODAxLCJwb3N0X2lkIjo1MTk2ODI3NCwiXyI6Imh3Y1Z2IiwiaWF0IjoxNjUwMjg4NjMwLCJleHAiOjE2NTAyOTIyMzAsImlzcyI6InB1Yi0yOTU5MzciLCJzdWIiOiJwb3N0LXJlYWN0aW9uIn0.FpPcuyIt-8KYHDRTqE4LJ1r8evNyoCnhOevwVj5rXvc&s=r


3 posted on 04/18/2022 11:31:13 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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In the chain of tweets following, Greenwald also said:

It’s not a good feeling to dislike and distrust your own government and its key institutions. Wars that everyone can rally around provide a way to rejuvenate faith and trust in the US security state, the US role in the world, the morality of our political leaders and media class

Then concerning Russians being banned from running in the Noston Marathon, Greewald said:

Also, having a common enemy feels good. It gives purpose. It makes us feel that no matter what bad things our leaders have done, someone - another country - is vastly worse. Our hatred for them absolves us of our sins. And key: groups need outcasts


4 posted on 04/18/2022 11:33:55 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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everyone MUST commit to protecting the NWO,
the imposition of mandates-for-genocide-by-FAKE”VAX”,
and to protect with everything we have
the Biden-Romney-Pelosi-Soros family Trafficking Tunnels.


5 posted on 04/18/2022 11:35:10 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: dfwgator

Only two things are propping up Biden, the establishment, and globalists from falling down into the 20’s on approval %: the war in Ukraine and the MSM.

Any questions or concerns concerning how badly they are covering the war are met with countersattacks by trolls and people being called Putin supporters, etc - the Rachel Maddow attack line.

But the MSM cannot be trusted.

Zelenskyy cannot be trusted.

Putin cannot be trusted.

Soros, Klaus, Biden, Ukrainian media cannot be trusted.

Romney, Cheney, etc, cannot be trusted.

Those whom have had a good track record at exposing the MSM, like Epoch Times, Human Events, Posobiec, Bannon, Paul Joseph Watson, Tim Pool, Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Breitbart, Gateway Pundit (one of the first to expose the government-Covid narrative) are far more trustworthy.


6 posted on 04/18/2022 11:35:40 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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*Boston


7 posted on 04/18/2022 11:38:50 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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Unfortunately a number of freepers seem to have that mindset as well.


8 posted on 04/18/2022 11:47:34 AM PDT by jimwatx
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Some people lack critical thinking skills, don’t possess healthy suspicion concerning if they are being told the truth about the war and events within it, lash out with name calling if one questions the narratives being proffered, and are too eager to join the MSM bandwagon.


9 posted on 04/18/2022 11:54:31 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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The problem is these people have been repeatedly lied to and know they have been lied to, but still want to believe. I am not saying the other side is honest either, but we know our side isn’t. There is nobody left to believe.


10 posted on 04/18/2022 12:00:14 PM PDT by alternatives? (The only reason to have an army is to defend your borders.)
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decent article,thanks
MSM still sux


11 posted on 04/18/2022 12:07:24 PM PDT by CarolinaReaganFan
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Then at least some of these here that keep peddling MSM lies are covert Democrats and need to be called out for continually siding with the MSM.


12 posted on 04/18/2022 12:10:52 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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I’m an outlier. I’m neutral on this war. I just don’t trust the news I’m hearing. And I understand at least SOMETHING about the two parties involved. There are no “clean hands” in these two governments.


13 posted on 04/18/2022 12:23:30 PM PDT by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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Why, because some of them believe some of what they see in the MSM?

You’re taking a lot of liberty with the word ‘continually’. There are plenty of people here who think Putin’s invasion is wrong, and are probably healthily suspicious of the MSM.

They just don’t happen to agree with you on THIS issue, so you have to find some way to denigrate them.


14 posted on 04/18/2022 12:24:37 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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behave like total asses and then scream hysterically when called about their behavior

Amazing how the debate tactics of the Alex Jones Alt Right and the Woke Left are exactly the same

Another odd thing.

The Alt Right in PR botting for Putin is using the exact same “logic” the Soros DA’s use.

“Oh it not Putin’s fault he a is crinminal thug trying to turn the clock back to 1938. Society (i.e. the civilied world) made him a thug and a crimina by their actions


15 posted on 04/18/2022 12:25:08 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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Wrong

There is fact, and here is Putin's pr machine. What the Alex Jones Alt Right is doing is knowingly lying about Ukraine because it validates their panic stricken knee jerk need to rationalize their "Appeasement Now" dogmas.

Appeasement has never worked. It will work no better with Putin then it did with Hitler and Stalin

16 posted on 04/18/2022 12:29:08 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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People want rational thoughtful analysis Not a mindless recitation of every lie spewed forth by Putin's PR Machine.

Both sides are not equal here. When you choose to repeat lies, you going to be called on it.

Rather then cry about it, try making a minimum of effort to verify your data instead of mindlessly spewing every lie that is told you by the Russian Goverment because it validates your emotion based “appeasement now” dogmas

17 posted on 04/18/2022 12:31:18 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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To: Jamestown1630

Wrong. They aren’t simultaneously anti-Zelensky amd anti-Putin, the proper route, because Putin is a thug and Zelensky is in bed with Soros and the WEF.

And I’m not denigrating them, so you are mischaracterizing me as liberals do to create Straw Man arguments, but rather I’m taking them to task for siding with Zelensky when he is in bed with the aforementioned.

So do you support Putin? Hope not. Do you support Zelensky/Soros/WEF? Hope not.


18 posted on 04/18/2022 12:33:43 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: MNJohnnie

Nice Straw Man arguments. Control your temper tantrums.

Th Alt Right was pro Trump before most and takes the most pot shots from the MSM, which tells you all you need to know. And the liberal MSM was the first to attack Aled Jones, though I dont watch him, and tries to smear everyone by linking as many aa they can with him, so you are a liberal thwn..

And Soros is on bed with Zelensky.

Just say it, you support Zelensky who is in bed with Soros and the WEF, instead of being anti-Putin and anti-Zelensky.

Don’t you have sone Bush/Romney/McCain/Biden war to go and cheerlead?


19 posted on 04/18/2022 12:39:58 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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Now you are using Rachel Maddow style attack lines and creating more Straw Man arguments.

The alr right doesn’t support Putin or Zelensky, but you clearly aren’t anti-Putin and anti-Zelensky, which is a good route to take, even though Zelensky is in bed with Soros and the WEF.

You support globalists. Got it.

Amd you continually bringing up the alt right and smearing them is a dead give away you’re a liberal, the MSM smears the alt right all the time, and your angry outbursrs are outing you on this.


20 posted on 04/18/2022 12:45:10 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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