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F-35C Crash On USS Carl Vinson - South China Sea
Youtube ^ | 02/06/22 | SoManyInterests

Posted on 02/07/2022 6:28:04 AM PST by Enlightened1

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To: Yo-Yo

Was it ship’s company, or air wing personnel?


41 posted on 02/07/2022 7:52:41 AM PST by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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To: joe fonebone

I’m a former blue-suiter, so I don’t know the ins and outs of Carrier operations.

Who would have access to the landing videos? Is that in a database that anybody can access, or is it only in the air wing area, or can it also be accessed by CIC? Who staffs CIC, the air wing or the ship’s complement?


42 posted on 02/07/2022 7:59:44 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Signalman
How much does one of those cost?


43 posted on 02/07/2022 8:01:38 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

If it’s not a command climate problem then the leaker is on his/her own. Sure the CO is responsible for everything, but that doesn’t mean every time something happens it is a hanging offense.


44 posted on 02/07/2022 8:03:39 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: ClearCase_guy

It looks like a very good site, I’ve bookmarked it. The article on the F35C is worth a read.


45 posted on 02/07/2022 8:06:04 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Fury

I’m guessing you have never heard of satire.


46 posted on 02/07/2022 8:07:37 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Wayne07

The article makes it pretty clear that he (the pilot) suffered a bad reaction to the “vaccine” at the wrong time. Heart inflammation, let’s hope he recovers.


47 posted on 02/07/2022 8:12:32 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Fury

Really? You have no idea if Real Raw News is legitimate?
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It HAS to be true. I saw it on Free Republic.


48 posted on 02/07/2022 8:13:20 AM PST by nagant
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To: MMaschin
The second segment of video is the most telling. It shows the aircraft approaching dead on in the cross hairs. It almost immediately starts drifting left (aircraft's left, camera's right). Moments after that it starts sinking, pitches up in an attempt to correct the sink rate and get back on slope. It fails to do so, sinking into a hard landing/tail-strike. Hard enough to collapse the gear and destroy the aircraft.

In the first segment of the video you can hear the engine spool up. However, that appears to be very late, the aircraft is almost at the fantail at that point. It is hard to synchronize with the second segment, but the added power appears to come late, after the pitch up. In the third segment you can hear the "wave off!" call just about the moment it starts the pitch up.

What I think happened - and I'm no expert, just an engineer and aviation buff with a bunch of friends who are pilots and some personal stick time - but take all that with a grain of salt, I don't even have a pilot's license. I just like to figure things out.

What I think happened was there was a little left drift which is not uncommon. Often there can be a disturbance in the air trailing behind the ship from the conning tower. The pilot corrected, maybe a bit hard having gotten "behind" the aircraft - letting it get too far left before initiating the correction. At low speeds a big input on the controls results in a large deflection of the control surfaces. This can create a lot of drag. Drag means loss of airspeed, which means loss of lift and increased sink rate. As my fighter pilot buddy (retired) points out - control inputs mean scrubbing speed. Funny how with those guys it always comes back to speed, they're obsessed with it. ;-) Anyway, the sink rate startled the pilot (?) and they pulled - pitched up to correct. More control inputs, more drag, more loss of airspeed. The pilot was very late in adding power.

So to summarize - it wasn't one event or even one mistake, it was a chain of events/mistakes, as most accidents are.

Slight lateral drift on short final - routine.

A little behind the aircraft, large control input - not great. Getting "behind the aircraft" happens, but on short final almost always means a go-around.

Big control input without adding power - oversight by pilot.

Pitch up to arrest sink rate without adding power - oversight by pilot.

By the time the pilot added power, the incident was virtually inevitable. Not enough altitude nor lateral separation to recover the sink rate.

49 posted on 02/07/2022 8:17:15 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Vaccine mandates: they are not about health, they are about obedience.)
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To: DoodleDawg

The number of ship accidents and naval aviation accidents have disproportionately involved apparent social promotion (not only based on gender), including the USS Fitzgerald and USS McCain incidents.


50 posted on 02/07/2022 8:17:54 AM PST by Wayne07
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To: ClearCase_guy

Gotta agree with ya.
Lately it seems as if a lot of FReepers could use some attitude adjustment.
The list of FReepers I refuse to have anything to do with is growing. But hey, evidently JR is OK with what’s been going on here and it is HIS sandbox.


51 posted on 02/07/2022 8:22:39 AM PST by Roccus (First we beat the Nazis........Then we defeated the Soviets....... Now, we are them.)
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To: Enlightened1

52 posted on 02/07/2022 8:25:16 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (META - Make Everything Trump Again)
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To: jpsb

The pilot saw doctors on deck waiting to vaccinate him, so he made the wise choice to abort landing and eject to avoid the deathly injection.


53 posted on 02/07/2022 8:25:17 AM PST by Wayne07
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To: Yo-Yo

Hey Mav, do you still have the card for that truck driving school?


54 posted on 02/07/2022 8:31:37 AM PST by shotgun
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To: Enlightened1
The clip was made up of footage from the in-deck Pilot's Landing Aid Television (PLAT), and video shot from the ship's Island Camera Room.

What is going on that someone would leak this? It should not be difficult all to find out who. Someone's career is about to be over.

55 posted on 02/07/2022 8:33:10 AM PST by CodeJockey (Think for yourself. (While it's still legal))
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To: shotgun

56 posted on 02/07/2022 8:38:23 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Enlightened1

The U.S. faces a race to beat China in recovering the high-tech military plane as Beijing could try to capitalize on its territorial claims in the South China Sea and say it's salvaging the craft for environmental purposes.

The article also states it the second time in three months that an F-35 has been lost at sea.

57 posted on 02/07/2022 8:40:06 AM PST by CodeJockey (Think for yourself. (While it's still legal))
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To: Enlightened1

The Russians did it!!


58 posted on 02/07/2022 8:43:19 AM PST by icclearly
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To: CodeJockey

I’m far from an expert, but I think carrier ops have always been a high skill / high risk effort.


59 posted on 02/07/2022 8:44:54 AM PST by nascarnation (Let's Go Brandon!)
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To: Wayne07
The number of ship accidents and naval aviation accidents have disproportionately involved apparent social promotion (not only based on gender), including the USS Fitzgerald and USS McCain incidents.

How do you tell which are and which aren't? Every time it involves a woman or an African American it's because they were promoted beyond their capabilities based on race and gender only? And every time it's a white guy it was just bad luck?

60 posted on 02/07/2022 8:45:00 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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