Another burst of nuttiness (hopefully the last for a while)

Self | 1/21/'21 | Zionist Conspirator

[Zionist Conspirator]

In my meandering post from last night I theorized that the Left was using jim crow and the civil rights movement to initiate a process whereby the "unjust" laws of G-d would be superseded by the "just" secular laws of man.

This is the root of the whole problem. Because there never was, is not now, and never will be an objective secular standard of morality/ethics/justice. Any system created by people is going to be arbitrary.

Furthermore, the very purpose of morality/ethics/justice is submission to the Divine Will. Any system which by-passes this for mere utilitarian results is missing the point of the whole thing. Furthermore, it is G-d's Laws which determine objectively just what is good and what is evil. In this sense G-d literally makes evil possible. If reality truly is a closed system of material causes and effects, then nothing is right and nothing is wrong. And people who claim to be absolute materialists quite frankly have no business having any sort of moral/ethical/justice standard. There is only one rational and logical position for a true materialist--"eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die." And yet it is precisely the people who should follow this philosophy who are moral fanatics of the highest order. Is someone with such a position really a materialist at all, or something else?

By their way of thinking, people would be no more than rocks or any other piece of matter (and all our beliefs and thoughts are merely bio-chemical reactions in the brain). And has anyone ever seen a rock marching for "social justice" or trying to "liberate" anything? Why is it that people who claim to be rocks refuse to act like rocks?

Yet American conservatives conventionally oppose these non-Theistic standards with other, if opposite, non-Theistic standards. Surely we can all see by now that Thomas Jefferson and Frederic Bastiat are completely inadequate for fighting our enemies. Ditto the constant appeals to the glories of Greco-Roman classical civilization, centuries of gorgeous art, and all the other trappings of western civilization. The fact is, our enemies are as much a product of western civilization as we are. Karl Marx wasn't born in the Australian outback or Arctic Siberia, and every collection of "the western canon" always includes works by Marx. It is secular western civilization that gave birth to naturalism and materialism, not Mayans.

There is only one argument to make and that is to state boldly that non-Theists shouldn't have any "values" at all and that right and wrong are precisely and only how G-d defines them. But we're so unused to this argument--indeed, allergic to it--that it never seems to occur to anyone to make it. We keep on extolling a western civilization whose current psychoses were perhaps inevitable and constantly accept every new atrocity from the other side--"gay rights," "trans," etc. Let the Left find a new cause and in no time at all the Right will be claiming it could do a better job of championing it.

This is disgusting.

Religious arguments are made occasionally, but they are not about objective truth but about relativistic national tradition. The Founding Fathers are often quoted, but their arguments are strictly utilitarian (especially the oft used quote of John Adams). "This is a chrstian country!" tells us absolutely nothing about whether or not chrstianity is true (and is ultimately no different than the third world Leftist slogan "deze are de ways of our pipplez"). Yes, America is a chrstian country, but Thailand is a bxddhist country and Japan is a shinto country and Ireland is a Catholic country and Greece is an orthodox country. But so what? Every nation has some sort of traditional religious belief, but this tells us absolutely nothing about the objective truth or falsity of any of them. When an American dies, he is not going to be asked if he were the same religion as George Washington. Ultimately, it doesn't matter what America's, or any other country's, religious tradition is. The only thing that matters is which religion is true.

As a matter of fact, the very concept of "religion" as a tiny little compartment separated from the rest of life is troubling. The only true Theocracy that has ever existed is that of the Jews, and there is no Hebrew word for "religion" (they had to adopt the Persian word dat). How can there be separation of religion and state if there is no such thing as "religion" as a special category?

The very idea of "separation of 'religion' and state" is problematic, but there is an even more subversive separation--western people have literally split their minds into two halves, one of which deals with "reality" (with which G-d is never associated) and the other dealing with "religion" in which G-d is treated as a fictional character from Never Never Never Land. This may be easily illustrated by pointing to devout politicians who in church on sunday mornings insist that the end is imminent and nothing can be done but who when campaigning claim that America's best days are ahead of her and we will once again be the nation that we once were, this time for a zillion billion years into the future.

The real separation that needs to be ended is not that of religion and state in law but this split in the mind. Let G-d in from "Never Never Land" and permit Him to enter reality and I believe the first step will have been taken on the road to recovery.

This leads to one final issue, where my own position is well-known to old timers and most unpopular. If there is a true religion, there must be some way of establishing just which it is, and religions based on "faith" are merely treadmills to nowhere. There is one and only one claim of Divine revelation in all human history that is self-vindicating. And let's just say it was a very long time ago.

Not wanting to get into another argument (and being tired again), I will leave it at that. I only ask that someone out there realize that what we've been doing isn't working and open his mind to a possibility to which it seems stubbornly closed.

All opinions expressed are mine and mine alone. No one else is responsible.

Good night.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Ping.

[Phinneous]

Regarding true religion— I wonder if in the US, the legions of displaced Christians wouldn’t rather learn about a deeper, older connection to their Creator? (see tagline, as you know.)

I love the intention and hope of the Revival or Bust slogan, but I think the Revival may be the Torah and G-d’s requirements for Jews, and Gentiles, chaps.

Ok Christian FReepers— Rangers lead the way-— but the FReepers, like Airborne, go ALL the way. Embrace the G-d of Israel and the entire world. Him alone. You’ll truly start a religious revolution in this country.

[Larry Lucido]

I don’t know, Phinneous. You may leave the “o” out of God, but have you really gone “all the way” like ZC? Have you left the “i” out of Christian and spelled it with a small “c”? Have you spelled “Buddhist” with an “x”? Have you spelled “Shinto” and “Orthodox” in lower case? (You may spell Catholic the normal way, apparently). But until you have done the others, I fear you have not achieved the true way of ZC, who has really gone all the way (or at least off the edge)!

[Larry Lucido]

Thailand is a bxddhist country

The Thais will be surprised to hear that.

[Larry Lucido]

Oh, I know. Some so-called “Latinx” folks became Buddhists and they are the Bxddhists. But wouldn’t they be Buddhistx?

[Phinneous]

No senor— I never was a Christian like ZC.
Think about all of those lapsed Christians out there. They can’t wrap their heads around a triune god. And why should they? (”G-d is not a man....”)
SO what’s an American to do? Well, look at what the Torah says. It has to be 100% true for Christianity to make its claims. See what the Torah means for Gentiles at

noahide.org.

Enjoy! (or, enj-y!.... to make your joke!)

[Larry Lucido]

:-)

[familyop]

"...western people have literally split their minds into two halves, one of which deals with 'reality' (with which G-d is never associated) and the other dealing with 'religion' in which G-d is treated as a fictional character from Never Never Never Land."

Yes! Well contemplated and written! You packaged a tiny bit of understanding at a level that can be understood by many--no small task for those of us in the darkest of worlds! Remember, though, that typically, only a very few have prepared themselves to receive that understanding. ...yet no small task!

"Let G-d in from "Never Never Land" and permit Him to enter reality and I believe the first step will have been taken on the road to recovery."

A great leap for many but doable for courageous people thirsting for knowledge. The rewards are...well, like a whole new World!

"If there is a true religion, there must be some way of establishing just which it is, and religions based on 'faith' are merely treadmills to nowhere."

Yes, the concrete realization as contrasted to circular houses of metaphors and other mirrors.

In the past, in a state of some excitement, I exclaimed that all is physical. That was a mistake. I should have been content to abide when speaking by an important Principle as stated. It all goes back to the importance of sharing understanding.

Again, well done! Remember that there are many readers who don't comment after having learned.

[familyop]

"...learn about a deeper, older connection to their Creator?"

For people with less concrete systems of belief, that can be a very scary and emotional transition. It is preceded by at least some (probably most), with some newly objective searching and study of their own religion.

[Phinneous]

Well, do you prefer New Coke or Coke Classic?

[familyop]

"No senor— I never was a Christian like ZC."

Ah, so! You didn't experience the dread fear that I mentioned? ...imagined standing and waving back and forth and shrieking while getting scorched forever and ever (not to mention all of those Dante levels)? And never watched a movie about crosses, ghosts, priests, devils and girls doing unmentionable things and spinning around in the air and gushing pea soup and got a little nervous afterwards about what might be out in the dark, in the closet or under the bed?

Whoa! ;D

[familyop]

“Classic” for sure! It’s...well, more conservative...much more! And not as much like being caught in a spook house with no exit. It’s nice to go somewhere and continue heading that way.

[familyop]

There was a very short time, though, when I was clinging to that New Coke and very afraid of letting go.

[Ezekiel]

Thanks for the ping, ZC.

If there is a true religion, there must be some way of establishing just which it is, and religions based on "faith" are merely treadmills to nowhere. There is one and only one claim of Divine revelation in all human history that is self-vindicating. And let's just say it was a very long time ago.

A total mindshift is in order, in order for everyone to escape business as usual (hundreds of channels, nothing on).

"ἔξοδος" in the Greek Isopsephy system transliterates to "exodos" and equals 409

exodus: a sudden departure of a large number of people

giddyup

Etymology
From get up or get ye/thee up.

Interjection
giddyup
1.(directed at a horse) Move on!, go faster!

Antonyms
whoa

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/giddyup#English

Giddyup Giddyup 409
Nothing can catch her
Nothing can touch my

409

Q: What did the Beach Boys know?

A: Who wins the beauty contest!

The cutest girls in the world:

California Girls

;)

***

Sketchy etymology, that California. Something about being named after a black queen. Well if I had to hazard a guess - clubs or spades - the queen of spades *is* the black lady but why be content with an unfortunate, old maid status.

Queen of Clubs ♣: Argine, an anagram of Regina (Latin for "queen")

Clubs (clover, which is actually green) - it's like the rule about threes:

The Latin phrase "omne trium perfectum" (everything that comes in threes is perfect, or, every set of three is complete) conveys the same idea as the rule of three.

THREES <---> ESTHER

See, there ya go. The perfect gal. Winner of the beauty contest.

Most people are determined to steer clear of this kind of ride, which goes a long way in explaining why the Exodus was indeed a miracle. :)

Like God never heard of the Beach Boys (!!!). Looks more like He's a big fan (imitation is the sincerest form of flattery):

She's real fine my 409
She's real fine my 409
My 4 -- OH -- 9

Well I saved my pennies and I saved my dimes
(Giddyup Giddyup 409)
For I knew there would be a time
(Giddyup Giddyup 409)
When I would buy a brand new 409..

***

Make those translators work *for* you!

חוק הפסיפס

= 409

After surviving that peek into the Ark of the Covenant, anyone noticing (and appreciating) that 4 + 0 + 9 = 13 wins even more prizes.

אהבה

(a lifetime supply of grout, along with all the tools and stuff)

[Cronos]

I think he meant that they are X-men buddhists, hence bxddhists...

[Cronos]

If you want a deeper, older connection to your creator, then you need to also junk

1. The Talmud
2. The Oral Torah as encapsulated in the Talmud.

What we called “Judaism” today is really the continuation of the Pharisee sect of 2nd temple Judaism led by Rabbis, with a changed concept of sacrifices etc.

This rabbinical Judaism was created by Rabbi Yohannan ben Zakkai when he ran from Jerusalem under siege in 70 AD and created a new religion that wasn’t dependent on the temple or sacrifices.

You want to have the “deeper, older connection” then junk all of what we call Judaism (i.e. Pharisee-Judaism) and Christianity (i.e. Jesus-movement-Judaism* ) and go with the Samaritans who stick to just the Torah and decry Jews who “added on” with the Prophets and the Oral Torah

* Christianity is a sect of 2nd temple Judaism and is a sister religion (strangely enough the 4 decades OLDER sister) to rabbinical Judaism.

[Cronos]

Rabbinic Judaism (Hebrew: יהדות רבנית‎, romanized: Yahadut Rabanit) has its roots in Pharisaic Judaism and is based on the belief that Moses at Mount Sinai received two items from God; the "Written Torah" (Torah she-be-Khetav) and the "Oral Torah" (Torah she-be-al Peh). The Written Torah is the Torah itself (the Pentateuch) and the Oral Torah explanations of the Written Torah transmitted word-to-mouth. Often, these are known as the Written and Oral Law. At first, it was forbidden to write down the Oral Torah because the rabbis feared that it would become rigid and lose its flexibility, but after the destruction of the Second Temple they decided to write it down in the Talmud and other rabbinic texts.

The real, OLDER connection to your creator does not recognize the Oral Torah as a divine authority nor the rabbinic procedures used to interpret Jewish scripture.

=========

in fact the Mishnah and the Gemara are all YOUNGER than Christian (Jesus-movement-Judaism) texts

Net-net, the "Judaism" we see mainly today is the younger sister religion to Jesus-Movement-Judaism

[Cronos]

the Samaritans rely on the Torah, and the Torah alone, as their sole religious text

the Samaritans abide by a literal version of Torah law. Eschewing Jewish practices that are rabbinic in origins, they believe only in the Five Books of Moses and observe only holidays found in the Pentateuch, such as Passover and Sukkot, as opposed to Jewish holidays like Purim or Hanukkah whose origins are found elsewhere in Jewish scriptures.

Their rituals mirror an ancient world that few religions still keep today. On Passover, for example, their high priest sacrifices a sheep in a community-wide ritual, where its blood is dabbed on foreheads and later eaten together with matzo and bitter herbs. On Shabbat, Samaritans abstain from cooking and kindling fires and pray barefoot in white, identical garments. And, echoing a routine taken straight from the text of Leviticus, Samaritan women move to their own private homes during menstruation for seven days of isolation.

Differences between the Rabbinical and Samaritan torah

In Exodus 12:40, for example, the Masoretic text reads: “The length of the time the Israelites lived in Egypt was 430 years,” a sentence that has created massive chronological problems for Jewish historians, since there is no way to make the genealogies last that long. In the Samaritan version, however, the text reads: “The length of time the Israelites lived in Canaan and in Egypt was 430 years.”

They are a group that consider themselves heirs to biblical Israel, just like the Rabbinical Jews. It’s important just to learn the remarkable tradition they’ve preserved for 2,700 years.

[Cronos]

The various Jewish beliefs of the afterlife - whether as bodily resurrections on a new earth or everyone goes to heaven depending on your deeds are definitely an interesting contrast to various Christian-ISH beliefs (right from the near universal "everyone's going to heaven" of the universalists to the Jehovah's Witnesses of "everyone is going to hell... except us") :)

Though it does vary in both cases on which belief system you came from and to which belief system you went TO

To me it looks like at the time of the 2nd temple the afterlife beliefs varied completely from "everything ends" to "good heaven when we resurrect" and also changes in beliefs from the Babylonian exile - with the influences of Zoroastrianism and paradises.

Overall the different concepts of afterlives in various cultures are fascinating:

• The Sumerians seem to have believed that the gods created humans as their servants on the soil, so rebirth was a dark, dreary cavern located deep below the ground where inhabitants were believed to continue "a shadowy version of life on earth" and nothing you did changed anything there
• the Egyptians were more circumspect of living in a heavenly egypt with probably better conditions on how you served the pharaoh
• The Hindu one is more fascinating - a continuous cycle of birth and rebirth over billions of years with karma (your works) deciding what you came back as
• the Jaina one is even more fascinating considering that this concept came in 700 BC or earlier -- that there is no creator god, no heaven, no earth and that the gods are just higher up on rebirth, but the afterlife is either birth-rebirth or ESCAPING it all to become Advaits and live in an ascended form separate from all the material and spiritual realm (the "Star Gate" series took this to some extent)
• The Buddhist religion that is an offshoot of Jainism has something similar.
• Australian - moving into a dream world for allI don't know much about the Chinese or African or native American afterlives..