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George Floyd’s Death Might Be Ruled A Homicide, Not A Drug Overdose, Even If Narcotics Played A Part
Red State ^ | 08/30/2020 | Jeff Charles

Posted on 08/30/2020 8:17:11 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

New court documents related to the death of George Floyd indicate that the deceased Minneapolis resident had a “fatal level” of fentanyl in his system at the time of his arrest by former police officer Derek Chauvin and three other officers. This has led many to believe that the actions of Chauvin were not the cause of Floyd’s death.

In fact, the officer’s lawyer has asked the judge presiding over the case to drop the charges against the former law enforcement official, arguing that his client’s kneeling on Floyd’s neck for nearly nine minutes did not lead to his demise. However, the notion that the drugs in Floyd’s system are the definitive cause of his death has not quite been established. Indeed, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s office still holds that his death was a homicide and not an overdose.

The debate over Floyd’s death re-emerged after the contents of the documents came to light. Dr. Andrew Baker, Hennepin County’s chief medical examiner, filed a memorandum on June 1, indicating that the amount of fentanyl in Floyd’s blood was “pretty high” and could be “a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances.”

Baker also stated that “If Mr. Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else), and there were no other contributing factors I would conclude that it was a drug overdose.”

This memo led some to believe that Floyd died from an overdose, not from Chauvin’s actions. The fact that the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s report found that Floyd did not die from asphyxiation seems to support this argument.

However, further explanation by Baker and others indicated that this is not the case. In another memo filed early in June, Dr. Barker reiterated the fact that high levels of drugs were found in Floyd’s blood. But he also stated that he was “not saying this killed him.”

It’s also important to note the final sentence of the first memo, in which the medical examiner explained that he might rule that Floyd’s death was a drug overdose in the absence of “other contributing factors.” Judging from the final assessment of the report, which stated that Floyd’s death was a homicide, Chauvin’s knee on Floyd’s neck was clearly a contributing factor.

Former New York City chief medical examiner Dr. Michael Baden, who performed an autopsy at the behest of Floyd’s family, also determined that Floyd’s death was a homicide. He explained that the amount of fentanyl could have different effects on different people. In a Thursday appearance on Fox News, he said, “Like all narcotics, there’s a wide range of what’s lethal or not, because it all depends on the tolerance of the individual from whom the blood has been drawn.”

The Department of Justice also looked into the matter and asked the Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner to consult on the case. Their report echoed Dr. Baker’s. “His death was caused by the police subdual and restraint in the setting of severe hypertensive atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, and methamphetamine and fentanyl intoxication,” the officials explained. “The subdual and restraint had elements of positional and mechanical asphyxiation. … We concur with the reported manner of death of homicide.”

To sum it all up, Dr. Baker’s memo does not conclude that while the drugs in Floyd’s system certainly played a more significant role than was previously believed, it was not the ultimate contributor to his death. The bottom line is that Floyd’s death was ruled as a homicide, meaning that it was caused by the actions of another individual, namely, Derek Chauvin. Even if the narcotics played a part, it is clear that the officer’s kneeling on Floyd’s neck for almost nine minutes was the key factor in that it seems to have aggravated his underlying issues in a way that caused the fatality.

However, it is worth pointing out that the fact that Floyd’s death was a homicide does not necessarily mean that Chauvin will be found guilty of the murder charges he is facing. The legality of his actions is still in question. He is currently charged with second-degree murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter. The other officers involved in the incident are being charged with aiding and abetting second-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.

The medical examiner’s report could bolster the defense team’s contention that the officer’s actions did not play a significant role in Floyd’s death. But it might be challenging to prove that he would have died at that moment even if he had never encountered the four men. On the other hand, the charges of second and third-degree murder might not be easy to prove, given that the issue of intent does not seem apparent in this case.

The next hearing is scheduled for Sept. 11, and the trail is set to commence on Mar. 8.


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KEYWORDS: fentanyl; georgefloyd; homicide
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1 posted on 08/30/2020 8:17:11 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The case is too far gone in the direction of homicide by policemen. Democrats and BLM and Antifa and the angry blacks everywhere, will not accept anything less than murder by policemen, no matter what the facts.

Innocent men (policemen) will suffer the consequences, and so with the truth.


2 posted on 08/30/2020 8:22:18 PM PDT by adorno
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To: SeekAndFind

In criminal cases, a tie always goes to the defendant. The prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was the procedurally correct knee to the neck that was the cause of death and that the knee to the neck was criminally in excess of the training manual.

They won’t be able to do it. The coroner report is not conclusive.

Floyd killed himself.


3 posted on 08/30/2020 8:22:34 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping List)
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To: adorno

The case is too far gone in the direction of homicide by policemen. Democrats and BLM and Antifa and the angry blacks everywhere, will not accept anything less than murder by policemen, no matter what the facts.

Innocent men (policemen) will suffer the consequences, and so will the truth.


4 posted on 08/30/2020 8:23:10 PM PDT by adorno
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To: SeekAndFind

The only thing that matters now is what will the jury say?

Chauvin was overcharged and will likely be found Not Guilty.


5 posted on 08/30/2020 8:23:57 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: SeekAndFind
George Floyd’s Death Might Be Ruled A Homicide, Not A Drug Overdose, Even If Narcotics Played A Part

Rulers gonna rule.

6 posted on 08/30/2020 8:24:15 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: SeekAndFind

Why don’t they squeeze another COVID death out of it.


7 posted on 08/30/2020 8:30:08 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: P-Marlowe

“ In criminal cases, a tie always goes to the defendant.”

Yes, that is true. To tip the scales, the prosecution will be forced to claim Ffloyd was such a habitual user, that level would have been tolerable. Most likely not much of a false premise.


8 posted on 08/30/2020 8:40:10 PM PDT by moehoward
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The thing that triggered these riots was the MSM reporting of the Floyd demise and spiking the facts behind his condition at the time. Because of that getting those facts out are desperately needed

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The results of politically induced miss reporting incidents where blacks have resisted legitimate arrest began to be used earlier during and after the post Zimmmerman trial, then on to the Ferguson episode. Obama’s abuse of the “Bully Pulpit” which seemed to promote resistance to legitimate arrest led to black gangs attacking non blacks found innocently traversing black neighborhoods and to a score of murders or life changing injuries and later attacks of theft and vandalism on local businesses as well as attacks and murders of police officers during that period


9 posted on 08/30/2020 8:56:38 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin posting here for the record hoping somebody might read and pass around)
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To: Mariner
"...will likely be found Not Guilty..."

He should be found Not Guilty, but this is Minnesota ... ... ...

10 posted on 08/30/2020 9:13:57 PM PDT by budj (Combat vet, 2nd of three generations.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The constriction of blood flow through the neck to the brain was officer Chauvin’s contribution. The illegal drugs added their part. COVID-19 was another contribution. I say it was a team effort with fentanyl as the major player. Saying that Chauvin was a major player underestimated the situation Floyd was in.


11 posted on 08/30/2020 9:18:08 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Cultural Marxism is the cult of the Left waiting for the Mothership.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Chauvin should not get a comolete pass but in terms of ascertaining his involvement in Floyd's death, I would ask the CMOs the following:

1. Would Floyd likely have succumb to the knee without the drugs in his system?

2. Would Floyd likely have succumb to the drugs without the knee on his neck?

3. Have you in a anyway been compromised in your conclusion?

12 posted on 08/30/2020 9:33:17 PM PDT by Moonlighter
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“Indeed, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s office still holds that his death was a homicide and not an overdose.”

Even it the medical examiner was a good guy he is under extreme duress to appease the rioters. If he says something they don’t like then... Boom.


13 posted on 08/30/2020 9:50:46 PM PDT by Revel
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Baker also stated that “If Mr. Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else), and there were no other contributing factors I would conclude that it was a drug overdose.”

How does the medical examiner know he wasn't just found dead in his house? The report stated there was no bruising or tissue tears along Floyd's back or neck.. No physical evidence Floyd was even restrained in such a manner, much less being a cause of death.
14 posted on 08/30/2020 10:07:00 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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“George Floyd’s Death Might Be Ruled A Homicide, Not A Drug Overdose, Even If Narcotics Played A Part”


What if Floyd instead had Covid in his system instead of drugs, and the same thing happened? Asking for a friend, who is confused that a death involving a little bit of Covid with several serious co-morbidities can be attributed to Covid, while a serious drug OD and the knee results in no attribution of death due to the drug OD.


15 posted on 08/30/2020 10:31:48 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: SeekAndFind

Shortly after things went crazy, I looked up the Police manual for the city were Floyd died. Police per their policy manual were allowed to use some neck holds and to restrain breathing under certain circumstances.

I suspect that a jury will likely find the police not guilty unless there is a bar/work connection that was the cause of the altercation.


16 posted on 08/31/2020 1:56:55 AM PDT by Robert357
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To: SeekAndFind

COVID....he died from COVID.


17 posted on 08/31/2020 3:16:39 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Floyd was in trouble all of his life. He was in Judge Judy’s court at 17. Video on u-tube. Car jacking & destruction of the car he stole.


18 posted on 08/31/2020 5:39:30 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: jonrick46

NO hypoxia found in his brain.


19 posted on 08/31/2020 5:40:43 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: SeekAndFind

“Facts schmacts - burn the witch!”


20 posted on 08/31/2020 5:48:52 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They are openly stating that they intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live.)
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