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Chuck Berry vs Bruce Springsteen, Two Visions of America
Blue Collar Logic channel at YouTube ^ | April 21, 2019

Posted on 04/22/2019 7:01:44 AM PDT by grundle

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To: mjp

I’ve always considered his music to be air pollution and Chuck’s to be priceless.


21 posted on 04/22/2019 7:57:22 AM PDT by VietVet876
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To: grundle

Well, so far on FR I’ve learned that Springsteen, Neil Young, Bob Dylan and the Rolling Stones never had any talent as musicians or songwriters.

Chuck Berry wrote and recorded a bunch of great songs. He is up there at the top with Little Richard and Buddy Holly in my opinion in his influence on rock and roll. He was cheap and lazy as far as live performances, used local pick up musicians when he did a show to avoid paying professionals and didn’t really care about his fans.

Springsteen puts much more effort into his
work and into actually being a musician and performer. Appearing with Hillary in 2016 killed any pretense of being an advocate for the working man, but that is pretty much just an act for any multi-millionaire performer (they’re all limousine liberals). ‘Born to Run’ got a lot of attention, but check out ‘Darkness On The Edge of Town’ and ‘Nebraska’ for some fine work.


22 posted on 04/22/2019 8:07:23 AM PDT by Stevenc131
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To: Stevenc131

Born To Run was that incredible. Right about 1974 or 1975. It was the best on the radio song that I had ever heard. Went to the Fox Theater in Atlanta and saw the band live. Great Concert. Now a days I look at what Bruce has become and just say “what went wrong.” Yet that concert was still in my memory as one of the very best.


23 posted on 04/22/2019 8:31:53 AM PDT by Trumpet 1 (US Constitution is my guide.)
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To: VTenigma; minnesota_bound; CivilWarBrewing; sparklite2; Steely Tom; P.O.E.; CharlesMartelsGhost; ...

Haha, calling on the “Springsteen Sucks” ping list!


24 posted on 04/22/2019 2:31:58 PM PDT by nicollo (I said no!)
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To: jughandle

for you, too, Springsteen Sucks ping!


25 posted on 04/22/2019 2:34:56 PM PDT by nicollo (I said no!)
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To: Trumpet 1; Stevenc131; TiGuy22
I grew up in the NJ/NY/PA area and Springsteen was omnipresent. I get it...he struck a tone with his "working man" lyrics, especially in the Philadelphia area. Further, NJ really had nobody going for it on the rock front (aside from the Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons), so finally the State was relevant for something other than landfill. And, to be as fair as possible, the man gave people a damn good value for their live show dollar. I still give him props for playing 4+ hour gigs. Finally, he had some good players in his band (I personally loved Max Weinberg's playing on Conan, and I heard that he played the basement of a Temple in NYC as recently as ten years ago).

I've heard from several people that Bruce did a lot of charitable things in the Asbury Park area even after he moved to LA, but did it without fanfare. I give him a lot of credit for that. I also know he comes back to the area from time to time and does one-off gigs at The Stone Pony and other venues as a way of giving-back...again, mega-props for the guy. He STILL plays for 3 1/2 hours live. Finally, he is in the Rock Hall and a zillionaire, while people would run away screaming if DoodleBob drove his used car to the local bar and took over at karaoke nite.

That said, I heard more of his songs than I'd care to admit on the radio - Rosalita was pretty interesting though my favorite Springsteen song is Santa Clause is Coming to Town - yet in the end I just couldn't get on the Boss Bandwagon. Of course, lots of Bruce fans didn't like my fav Frank Zappa - maybe it's a function of how we're wired. Your mileage may vary.

26 posted on 04/22/2019 3:45:12 PM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: grundle

What an extremely awesome commentary! I had seen both Chuck and Bruce live, front row seats, and actually also met Bruce when he was starting out. This video is a great tribute to an outstanding American original, as a musician and lyricist — Chuck Berry.


27 posted on 04/22/2019 5:37:03 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (In war, there can be no substitute for victory. --Douglas MacArthur)
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To: Stevenc131
If Bruce Springsteen was a staunch conservative and a supporter of President Trump, pretty much everybody here would be lauding Springsteen as one of the greatest songwriter/performer in rock music history.

I'm being totally serious. People only say Springsteen's music sucks because of his political beliefs.

Compare to Ted Nugent who is a rock hero around here because he's a staunch conservative, a supporter of President Trump and also he likes to hunt. Likes to hunt a lot! But let's face it, his music is rather pedestrian and gives most people a head-ache.

If only Ted Nugent would write Bruce Springsteen like songs - he would be the perfect all around guy.

28 posted on 04/22/2019 5:46:20 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: treetopsandroofs
Springsteen is dead to me, the POS.

He died as a musician after The Wild, the Innocent and the E Street Shuffle, and that was a long time ago. When he dumped his wife to go off with his violinist, I tuned him out once and for all. But a few years ago he was asked to sing a Bob Dylan song at the Kennedy Center honoring Bob Dylan, so I was watching on Bob's behalf.

The Jersey shore bar band boy, Springsteen, came out on that prestigious stage and committed an absolute atrocity on that song. It was beyond embarrassing. Given Dylan's eccentric vocalizations, it's easy to think Dylan didn't know how to sing. But when I heard the contrast between his intention and Springsteen's pitiful simulation, Dylan's subtlety and originality became apparent, and Bruce's pitiful attempt to pay homage revealed his profound lack thereof.

29 posted on 04/22/2019 6:02:21 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (In war, there can be no substitute for victory. --Douglas MacArthur)
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To: DoodleBob
NJ really had nobody going for it on the rock front (aside from the Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons), so finally the State was relevant for something other than landfill.

Here's an old one from my time living in the Philly/NJ area:

Q. Why does Philly have all the lawyers and Jersey have all the toxic waste dumps?

A. Because Jersey got to choose first.

BTW, Frankie Valli's music has really survived the test of time. He was quite productive and original also. The somewhat recent movie about his life was extremely well done, evocative of the era and very entertaining.
30 posted on 04/22/2019 6:17:02 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (In war, there can be no substitute for victory. --Douglas MacArthur)
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To: Albion Wilde
One of the odd things about Philadelphia sports teams, is almost everyone lived in Cherry Hill...few lived in Center City of Philadelphia proper or even the 'burbs. When the City got into trouble and imposed the 5% wage tax, everyone moved to King of Prussia and NJ.

In suburbia, in the early 1980s, most of us kids were either The Who, Zeppelin, Jethro Tull, Rush, Black Sabbath, or what we'd call classic hard rock bands. There were not many Springsteen fans where I grew up, and those who were fans were, ironically, from the upper middle class cluster. Those of us 'misfit toys' were more inclined to go see Van Halen at the Spectrum or Metallica or Anthrax (before they got big) at the Tower.

31 posted on 04/22/2019 7:14:53 PM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: SamAdams76
Please see my post above. I respectfully disagree....I never liked Bruce, even when liking his music could have upped my strata in high school.

As for Uncle Ted, he's a much better listen than the Boss. Stranglehold somehow makes my car set land-speed records, as does Great White Buffalo. But candidly, his treatment of women leaves a lot to be desired (especially his 'adoption' story) and his over-the-top commentary makes this Deplorable cringe at times.

I'd go to a Ted Nugent concert before a Springsteen odyssey, but in both cases I'd just the same go to a club and see an unsigned band and wish Ted just shut up and played his guitar.

32 posted on 04/22/2019 7:34:33 PM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: gaijin

Nice spread. He managed to get it classifide as a horse farm to catch a huge break on prop taxes, probably has an “undocumented alien” on the pyroll to clean the crap of the the one horse stable.


33 posted on 04/22/2019 10:42:00 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (Virtue signalling is no virtue)
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To: grundle
There's a garage in Blauvelt, NY that was converted into a studio where Springsteen recorded Born to Run, that's been landmarked by the Rockland Cty Historical Assoc. It's located near the Gentleman's Club, a notorious strip club. FEH!!

34 posted on 04/22/2019 10:46:42 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (Virtue signalling is no virtue)
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To: grundle

Springsteen should be the poster child for “cultural appropriation”. If it weren’t for Robert Johnson, Howling Wolf, Muddy Waters and other bluesmen from the past he’s be just another White trash from the Jersey Shore, crashing Chevelles on the Garden St Parkway.


35 posted on 04/22/2019 10:49:11 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (Virtue signalling is no virtue)
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To: nicollo

You made the ping list...that’s awesome!


36 posted on 04/23/2019 4:00:28 AM PDT by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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To: nicollo

I never said Springsteen sux. I just said he was waaayyyy overrated. I don’t give a second thought about these idiot’s politics; if I like some of their songs, I’ll continue to like those songs. I will admit that I do take note of the politics and remember it for the most part when (or more appropriately “if”) it ever comes down to a decision about whether to actually spend money on their product. I avoid it.


37 posted on 04/23/2019 5:15:28 AM PDT by z3n
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To: jughandle

It won’t be very active, but I’ll post whenever I see anything Springsteen, lol.


38 posted on 04/23/2019 2:29:24 PM PDT by nicollo (I said no!)
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To: gaijin
Bruce Springsteen is the Working Man's Advocate and HERE is his pretty equestrian daugher:

Like any dad, he likes watching her achieve. Wow, you can eat fancy stuff while horses run around right in front of you, like a show or something:

"The Boss" loves his daughter and THIS is what he bought her:

Dang, uh...quite a spread, huh..? She's really a really good horse rider and she wins trophies, as you see below. Longines -on her hat- that's a Swiss watchmaker. You know, uh...fondue and yodeling Switzerland, right?

It's still hard work, though, so when the whole family gets tired, THIS is what they go home to. Uh...or at least ONE of their homes, anyway:

I don't have anything against his pretty daugher and I think wealth is ok. I ENJOY his music.

I just don't go around preaching the righteous glories of poverty, though.

39 posted on 04/30/2019 8:53:06 AM PDT by gaijin
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