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In Defense of the Electoral College
Bearing Drift ^ | April 1, 2019 | Steven Brodie Tucker

Posted on 04/02/2019 4:06:38 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

There is no shortage of issues upon which Republicans and Democrats can respectfully disagree. We’re silly people sometimes though, and respect seems to come at quite a cost. There are a handful of issues, however, on which Democrats are so profoundly and dangerously wrong that I find myself incapable of empathy.

Beto O’Rourke, Senator Kamala Harris, Senator Cory Booker, Senator Elizabeth Warren, Mayor Pete Buttigieg, and more have come out for eliminating the Electoral College. This is an unequivocal deal-breaker for me. It seems one of the only Democrats with any sense is the anti-establishment progressive, Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard, who isn’t completely ready to pull the plug on one of the founding safeguards of our Republic.

“But Gabbard seemed to jab at fellow Democrats, saying, “I think it’s unfortunate that too often these calls for changes come about by the side that has lost or suffered as a result of the Electoral College.”

Before laying out my defense of the Electoral College, let us first take a look at their logic for its retirement.

One Person, One Vote

Democrats feel that the Electoral College is anti-democratic because it does not give everyone an equal vote in the election of a US President. But this isn’t an argument. It’s a fact. Secretary Clinton received 65,853,516 votes (48.18%) and President Trump received 62,984,825 votes (46.09%). More Americans didn’t want Donald Trump to be President than didn’t want Hillary Clinton to be President, and yet Donald Trump became President nonetheless.

And this upsets some people.

Democrats believe that a President should be elected “by the people,” not by electors sanctioned by each of the fifty states in accordance with a method of selection of their choosing.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; Government; Miscellaneous; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; democracy; democrats; election2016; electoralcollege; localism; mobrule; ochlocracy; onemanonevote; popularvote; states; trump

1 posted on 04/02/2019 4:06:38 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Math Against Tyranny.
2 posted on 04/02/2019 4:12:25 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Without the Electoral College, the president will be selected by NYC, SF and LA.


3 posted on 04/02/2019 4:18:51 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Democrats feel that the Electoral College is anti-democratic because it does not give everyone an equal vote in the election of a US President

It absolutely IS "anti-democratic". So is the Senate. So is the Supreme Court. So is the amendment process.

Democracy is killing this nation, we need less of it, not more.

4 posted on 04/02/2019 4:19:09 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2 = 4)
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To: DuncanWaring
Without the Electoral College, the president will be selected by NYC, SF and LA

That's not the problem.

The problem is that, to coordinate, count, and certify a "national popular vote", the national government is going to have to be given control over voting in the States.

Therefore, the people in charge will be given control over the process to replace them.

5 posted on 04/02/2019 4:40:43 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2 = 4)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC) is an agreement among a group of U.S. states and the District of Columbia to award all their electoral votes to whichever presidential candidate wins the overall popular vote in the 50 states and the District of Columbia.

Supporters believe the compact is legal under Article II of the U.S. Constitution, which establishes the plenary power of the states to appoint their electors in any manner they see fit: “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress”.

But their Compact may run into a problem because they are not allowed to have a Compact:

Article I, Section 10 of the United States Constitution provides that “No State shall, without the Consent of Congress... enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State.”


6 posted on 04/02/2019 4:55:00 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: Jim Noble

Something to consider:

In 2016, Trump recieved 3.0 million votes in CA while Clinton recieved 5.6 million in that state. In OH, Trump recieved 2.8 million votes to Clinton’s 2.3 million votes.

What is striking is that, under this compact, OH would still award its votes according to the CA vote total even if ALL of Clinton’s 2.3 million votes went to Trump given him a unanimous victory in OH.

Can people in OH be that stupid?


7 posted on 04/02/2019 5:42:30 AM PDT by beancounter13
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To: beancounter13
Can people in OH be that stupid?

It appears so.

8 posted on 04/02/2019 5:57:04 AM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The World Series analogy is easy to understand (i.e., it doesn't matter that one team may score more total runs -- analagous to the popular vote -- it's the team that wins the most games in the series -- analagous to the electoral votes -- that wins the contest). This is easy to understand and most everyone would agree this is the only way -- the fair way -- to determine the victor.

Problem is, with the size and far-reaching (into states' matters) grasp of the federal government and the corresponding severely weakened condition of states' rights -- in combination with the high level of historical and political ignorance of far too many Americans (as the study of American history, displaced by current events and "feelings studies", is barely touched on in many public schools), on the altar of "equality" most voters do not see the United States as a collection of states (i.e., a Republic). They see it as a single large country that is governed and controlled by a strong central national government. This is why so many people are unable to apply the clear World Series analogy to the purpose of the Electoral College vote.

9 posted on 04/02/2019 6:04:46 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: glennaro

“The Reoublic died to thunderous applause”. - Star Wars


10 posted on 04/02/2019 6:12:27 AM PDT by MGG
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To: beancounter13
The popular vote compact incentivizes ballot-stuffing by the Democrat political machines in the big cities. So far, their efforts affect only their own state so there is an incentive only in fairly close states like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota. But under the compact every election would be won by fraudulent votes ginned up in the big cities.

Which of course is the idea.

11 posted on 04/02/2019 7:01:31 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
But under the compact every election would be won by fraudulent votes ginned up in the big cities

They don't have to do that anymore.

NY, CA, IL, NJ, and MD just need to keep the GOP candidate off the ballot.

12 posted on 04/02/2019 7:07:41 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2 = 4)
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To: Jim Noble

For a long time I have had the opinion that the Left is pushing a two-prong approach —

1) If they can elect Socialists, that’s swell. They can make laws for free health care and free college, and high minimum wage and all of that. It will destroy this country (Cloward-Piven) and that’s what they are going for. So, electoral success certainly helps them.

2) If they can’t win elections, but can push normal people over the edge, they will spark a Civil War. Their current policies are abhorrent and not likely to win popular support — but they still fray the fabric of our society. Our social contract is at risk. This will also destroy our country, even if the Socialists don’t have much success in elections.

Winning elections is a slow approach.
I think most on the Left would actually welcome Civil War as a quick way to destroy a country they hate. They don’t have to win the war, you know. They just need to destroy the country.


13 posted on 04/02/2019 7:14:10 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: beancounter13

INCORRECT beancounter.

everything is not based on CA or even NY, other Dem populated areas.

There are plenty of voters all over the country and a “national popular vote would have to tally all votes. If Reps could get large numbers in all other states it wouldn’t matter how much Dems get in just a few states.

All people should get out and exercise their right to vote. Problems happen when just certain groups get out and others don’t bother or don’t in “protest” which is stupid (or fraud, harvesting etc)


14 posted on 04/02/2019 7:34:49 AM PDT by b4me (God Bless the USA)
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To: b4me
a “national popular vote would have to tally all votes

Oh no, it would not.

States still control their own elections. NJ has already said they will not allow Trump on their ballot.

Under an Electoral College system, this is not really a big deal. But under an NPV, you can bet that CA, NY, IL, MD, and MA will follow suit.

Remember - State Legislatures have SOLE AUTHORITY over appointment of Electors.

Once they put in an NPV compact and it is approved, the next step is denying ballot access to "white supremacist" parties (i.e., Republicans) in the big blue states.

"But wait", you say, "that's unconstitutional".

No, it is not. No one has a right to a ballot listing. Look in the Constitution to find "major parties" and "presidential elections". They are not there.

15 posted on 04/02/2019 7:56:57 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2 = 4)
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To: Jim Noble; b4me
States still control their own elections. NJ has already said they will not allow Trump on their ballot.

Excellent point. If CA, NY, and NJ keep Trump off their ballots, then about 9 million votes for Trump disappear leaving a gap twice as large. Where would the Republicans find enough votes to overcome that disadvantage?

16 posted on 04/02/2019 8:58:01 AM PDT by beancounter13
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To: ClearCase_guy

Good information. Thanks for posting it CCguy!


17 posted on 04/02/2019 2:13:39 PM PDT by octex
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

When do leftists respectfully disagree? I mean that.


18 posted on 04/02/2019 5:30:19 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The groundwork was laid 100 years ago: Amendment 17.


19 posted on 04/02/2019 5:31:50 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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About the difference between 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions, maybe? About whether the tax rate on the rich should be 70% vs. 80%?


20 posted on 04/03/2019 11:02:27 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Modern feminism: ALL MEN BAD!!!)
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