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To: arthurus

Churchill thought so.

During the Friday, 9/18/15 edition of FNN’s “The Five”, the hosts were posed questions from viewers. Each was asked two questions. One question was “Who would you most like to interview?” The other was “Whose political campaign would you like to run?”

Kimberly’s G’s response to the first was “Winston Churchill. I just love Churchill.” To the second, her reply was “Carly Firorina” after which she mumbled something like “Yea Carly.”

Kimberly is a very bright gal, but I suspect she is missing some vital information relative to her two selections as they each clearly hold very, very different views on THE most important topic that has faced the West for over 1200 years.

Allow me to contrast them for you:

First Churchill’s words from his “The River War”when it was first published as a two-volume set in 1899. Unfortunately, THIS selection was removed when the book was condensed into one volume and republished in 1902. I can’t but wonder if a Muslim was involved in the later “edit” (aka “sanitizing”.)

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

Contrast THAT with this from Ms. Fiorina in a speech she delivered in September, 2001, less than 2 weeks after 9/11.

There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.

It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins.

One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization’s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.

And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration.

Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.
When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.

While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.

Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians. Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership.

In light of the HORRORS still being perpetrated by Islam upon non Muslims beginning in the period she cites as the peak of Muslim culture, I would very much like to hear Ms. Fiorina renounce many of the points she made in that 2001 address. It was Muslims during the early part of those 800 years that brought the Christian Crusaders out of Western Europe to protect and avenge the thousands of Christian Pilgrims robbed, raped and murdered by Islam while simply attempting to visit Jerusalem and the Holy Land.

A distinctly politically INcorrect fact chucked down the old Memory Hole is that, among a few other causes, the hijacking of American ships and cargo, slaughter of captives and holding others for ransom by the Barbary Coast Pirates during the Jefferson Administration between 1801-1805 led to the expansion of our navy and the formation of the U.S. Marine Corps, whose members traveled aboard those ships for security. They are still called “Leathernecks” for the protective collars they wore to ward off the scimitars of these vicious Muslim bandits during their frequent battles. And the line in the Marine Hymn “...the shores of Tripoli” is a direct reference to those savage encounters.

In 1904, a resident of Trenton, NJ, Ion Perdicaris,was taken captive by the leader of a later band of Muslim marauders. Their leader, Raisuli, demanded a ransom of $70,000. President Theodore Roosevelt refused to pay and uttered his now famous “Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!” Backing up his demand with a flotilla of U.S. battleships, Perdicaris was released unharmed.
(Rhetorical Question: Where is OUR Teddy Roosevelt?)

And, of course, we all know what the Muslims have been up to since.

Little has changed and Dr. Bill Warner explains WHY in this excellent video.

If you genuinely want to understand the TRUE, VIOLENT, DUALISTIC, SCHIZOPHRENIC nature of ISLAM in order to become part of a solution instead of part of the problem that spells doom for Western Civilization (and, NO, that’s not too extreme a statement), you need to spend 40 minutes with Dr. Bill Warner here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjBDDC4wVxk

(Don’t be concerned when Dr. Warner mentions that he “sells” books. Though I suggest you sample the info in the first 5 minutes if only to get a sense of how thorough his research has been, if short on time, slide out past the 5 minute mark for the red meat beyond. THAT’S where the really important stuff is.)

Dick Bachert
9/19/2015


4 posted on 09/19/2015 9:05:11 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (This entire "administration" has been a series of Reischstag Fires. We know how that turned out!)
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To: Dick Bachert
While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.

Not true - See Mohammed and Charlemagne

15 posted on 09/19/2015 10:14:54 AM PDT by arthurus (It's true.)
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