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To: TexasGator

I’m not sure what country you think this is, but in the United States of America we have this thing called a Constitution. Amending the Constitution is this thing called the Bill of Rights.

Among the guarantees in the Bill of Rights is that you get the freedom to associate with whom you please, and that’s nobody else’s business.

Other guarantees in the Bill of Rights include the right to a trial by jury (as opposed to being executed on the spot by agents of the state), the right to know the charges against you, the right to face your accusers, and the right to present a defense. Additionally, you have the right not to be subject to cruel and unusual punishments.

None of those rights were respected here.

I don’t know exactly where you are coming from, but it is far more reminiscent of places like East Germany or North Korea, where the government can kill whoever it likes and is answerable to no one. That is not what America is about. If you wish to live under rules appropriate to a despotic, totalitarian state, the world provides you with a large range of options - but the United States is not one of them.


52 posted on 08/08/2015 9:23:18 PM PDT by Nep Nep
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To: Nep Nep

“Among the guarantees in the Bill of Rights is that you get the freedom to associate with whom you please, and that’s nobody else’s business.”

A literal interpretation:

“Congress shall make no law ...”


53 posted on 08/08/2015 9:25:36 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Nep Nep

“None of those rights were respected here.”

Really? The gangs were allowed to associate at a breastaurant in a public plaza on a Sunday afternoon and no one interfered ...

Until they started shooting at each other.


54 posted on 08/08/2015 9:27:15 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Nep Nep

“Other guarantees in the Bill of Rights include “

First Amendment: Congress shall make no laws ...

Sixth Amendment: ... the accused shall enjoy the right ...

Notice the difference?


55 posted on 08/08/2015 9:29:15 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Nep Nep

“Among the guarantees in the Bill of Rights is that you get the freedom to associate with whom you please, and that’s nobody else’s business. Other guarantees in the Bill of Rights include the right to a trial by jury (as opposed to being executed on the spot by agents of the state), the right to know the charges against you, the right to face your accusers, and the right to present a defense. Additionally, you have the right not to be subject to cruel and unusual punishments.

None of those rights were respected here.”


Freedom of association: The gangs were allowed to associate. Only as a condition of their bond are they not allowed to associate.

Right to Jury Trial: That right will be respected.

Right to know charges: That right will be respected.

Right to face accusers: That right will be respected.

Right to present a defense: That right will be respected.

No cruel or unusual punishment: That right will be respected.


57 posted on 08/08/2015 9:38:49 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Nep Nep

” you get the freedom to associate with whom you please”

My parents told me ‘you are known for the company you keep’.


61 posted on 08/08/2015 9:45:06 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Nep Nep
I don’t know exactly where you are coming from, but it is far more reminiscent of places like East Germany or North Korea, where the government can kill whoever it likes and is answerable to no one. That is not what America is about. If you wish to live under rules appropriate to a despotic, totalitarian state, the world provides you with a large range of options - but the United States is not one of them.

It does tend to make one cry, "Havoc!". But I'd say the dogs got out a while back.


95 posted on 08/11/2015 11:52:04 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale (III% | 4GW)
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