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1 posted on 03/29/2015 5:38:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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READ THE QUOTE PHIL ROBERTSON MADE THAT GOT PEOPLE ( INCLUDING CONSERVATIVES ) UPSET AND CRINGING BY CLICKING ON THE ABOVE LINK, but here’s the author’s main point:

... of course a person would be appalled and find them morally depraved. Phil’s poorly made point, one that again, is deeply rooted in mainstream Christianity. The idea, as i mentioned above, that we are programmed as creations of God to inherently understand morality and that morality is not relative to itself but rather to God.

He’s making the argument that, in his belief system, anyone, be they atheist or Christian, instinctively knows God and either rejects or accepts Him, either consciously or subconsciously. Phil believes that all morality comes from God and that rejecting God’s existence is accepting moral relativity because, as is the view of many Christians, an existence without God is an existence without a moral center that has authority.

Now, I’ll say this one more time before closing: it doesn’t matter if you agree with him or anyone else on this. This is a normal Christian view said in the most unnecessarily shocking & unartistic way possible.

Fault him for his language or for hurting Christianity’s brand and I may agree with you. But while it may make an atheist find Christianity even more repellent, I have to let you know that from a Christian’s point of view, the underlying philosophy is correct.


2 posted on 03/29/2015 5:40:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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These people really miss the point. Morality exists because it's based on a standard. If the standard is a man-made standard, then any man can set the standard and say "I think this is OK". There is nothing "above him" that is more powerful or objective than his own opinion. So it's: "Do as thou wilt".

But, with the word of God, everyone has a standard, which is not a man-made standard. Your opinion doesn't matter. It's simple: "This is right; that is wrong."

Without God, there can be no morality, there is merely whim.

3 posted on 03/29/2015 5:45:42 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Victim" -- some people eagerly take on the label because of the many advantages that come with it.)
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Robertson's comment was not poorly delievered, but poorly received by this Ben Howe character. Robertson used an analogy that sadly, in today's world, happens all the time. He should read what ISIS has done to Christian families in just the last week:

I’ll make a bet with you. Two guys break into an atheist’s home. He has a little atheist wife and two little atheist daughters. Two guys break into his home and tie him up in a chair and gag him. And then they take his two daughters in front of him and rape both of them and then shoot them and they take his wife and then decapitate her head off in front of him. And they can look at him and say, ‘Isn’t it great that I don’t have to worry about being judged? Isn’t it great that there’s nothing wrong with this? There’s no right or wrong, now is it dude?’ Then you take a sharp knife and take his manhood and hold it in front of him and say, ‘Wouldn’t it be something if this [sic] was something wrong with this? But you’re the one who says there is no God, there’s no right, there’s no wrong, so we’re just having fun. We’re sick in the head, have a nice day.’ If it happened to them, they probably would say, ‘Something about this just ain’t right.’

4 posted on 03/29/2015 5:48:19 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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Phil's "problem" is he's not "nuanced".

He shoots straight from the hip and unloads.

There is no spin with Phil. Just unadulterated truth.

He smashes people in the face with a 2x4 (with love).

When he is done, THEY KNOW they've been hit. There is no denying.

What they do with what Phil hit them with, is their choice, like it or not.

I'm a construction worker. Not a whole lot shocks or "offends" me. To those offended by the style, I say MTFU.

Blast away Phil, blast away.

6 posted on 03/29/2015 5:53:24 AM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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God Bless Phil Robertson!


7 posted on 03/29/2015 5:54:52 AM PDT by onedoug
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I see nothing wrong with WHAT Phil said and HOW he is making the point.

Use this for context: Romans 1:18-31. IF YOU DO NOT - then read no further.

Phil purposely used a horrific scenario - horrific EVEN IN THE ATHEIST’S MIND - to make the point that EVEN THE ATHEIST would admit that there IS an Absolute Right and Wrong - Absolute Law - but he won’t acknowledge it is from God - for THEN he is accountable.

The example HAD to be extreme to remove all ‘nuance’ of situation ethics and moral equivalence. Romans 1 and other parts of the Bible make it clear that God has written HIS law on men’s hearts - whether they want to admit it or not.


9 posted on 03/29/2015 6:27:27 AM PDT by time4good
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Phil is NOT a politician, stealing candy from babies one day, and kissing them the next day.

Phil is NOT a pastor, that has to answer to the church board, and not say something that might endanger the church’s IRS-sanctioned 503c standing.

Phil does say it straight, for a man who has lived life, both carnal and christian, and knows which side of his bread is buttered, and by whom.

I admire him for that.

Should he shut up? Nope. Too many people have, and that is why we are where we are.


17 posted on 03/29/2015 7:36:40 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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