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New Evidence: Obama's Mother Formally Changed Last Name To Obama In 1963. Not February 1961.
Orly Taitz | 8-9-2013

Posted on 08/09/2013 11:39:21 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter

Edited on 08/09/2013 11:40:48 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Fred Nerks

Yes - good point, the “African” could have been taken from the real Barack Hussein Obama 2’s birth certificate; it looks to me as though they must have that birth certificate in their possession and used bits of it to make the fake one. So the Kenyan might have put “African” and still had the 9; could be.

But that doesn’t make the b.c. the one that belongs to Zero!


141 posted on 08/10/2013 1:11:30 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Nero Germanicus
Again, nobody tested his DNA, his half-sister's, BHO's, or even SAD's. They tested DNA from some unknown male in the Bunch family. Tell me how that exactly relates to the point in post 125? And how can we determine if BHO2 is BHO's son without DNA from BHO's clan? Now go away. I'm tired of pointing out the obvious to you.
142 posted on 08/10/2013 1:26:51 PM PDT by WildSnail (The US government now has more control over the people than the old Soviet Union ever dreamed of)
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To: Nero Germanicus; little jeremiah
Hey FogBlower which one are you below? I believe I know you retread.


FogBow and former PJ members photo FogBow_dot_Com_Members.jpg

143 posted on 08/10/2013 1:38:22 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Nero Germanicus
That DNA result could have been due to the pioneer slave owner who (acording to Malcolm) raped one of his female ancestors; recall, he said he hated every drop of white blood that was in him. And his hair was red. Irish red?


144 posted on 08/10/2013 1:53:07 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Nero Germanicus
It's obviously just another coincidence one runs across with anything connected to this story, the same claims are made for Ralph Bunche:

Bunche was born in Detroit, Michigan in 1903 or 1904 and baptized at the city's Second Baptist Church. His father, Fred, was a barber, while his mother, Olive Agnes (née Johnson), was an amateur musician, from a "large and talented family...

Fred Bunche is believed to have had Bunch and other ancestors who were established as free people of color in Virginia before the American Revolution. The Bunch/Bunche surname was extremely rare. In 2012 researchers published evidence showing that Bunch male descendants can be traced through historical records and y-DNA analysis to John Punch, an African indentured servant sentenced to life service in 1640, and considered to be the first slave in Virginia.[7] President Barack Obama is also believed to be among Bunch's many descendants.[7] Several generations of the Bunch men, free people of color, married white women from the British Isles.[8]

RALPH BUNCHE

145 posted on 08/10/2013 2:04:08 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: DrDude

Update on New Lawsuit Filed Against Hawaii Department of Health on Behalf of Virginia Sunahara’s Brother, Duncan Sunahara

As first reported here, brother of Virginia Sunahara, Duncan Sunahara, has filed suit against Hawaii to obtain access to Virginia’s original long-form birth certificate. Dean Haskins of the Birther Summit lays out the details below. See the complaint here.

WAS BABY VIRGINIA SUNAHARA’S IDENTITY STOLEN?
Dean C. Haskins

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com.au/2012/01/update-on-lawsuit-filed-against-hawaii.html


146 posted on 08/10/2013 3:47:25 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: DrDude

details, details...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/55849163/Hawaii-Department-of-Health-Funny-Business-Regarding-Virginia-Sunahara


147 posted on 08/10/2013 3:55:44 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: DrDude
Baby Virginia's Death Certificate

Below is a portion of Virginia Sunahara's death certificate. Note that the birth certificate number and date are handwritten.

Not sure if that is significant or not.

Dean Haskins says the birth certificate would not have been transferred with Virginia to Kapi’olani, as Clara (the mother) was not transferred with Virginia.

The birth certificate was signed by both mother and delivery doctor, so it would have been done at Wahiawa General and then sent to the Department of Health. The death certificate would have been sent by Kapi’olani.

By law, the death certificate had to be processed within 3 days, and the birth certificate had to be processed within 7 days.

All processing was done at the DOH in Honolulu -- all numbers and dates are assigned there.

THE OBAMA FILE

148 posted on 08/10/2013 4:06:13 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: little jeremiah

That is possible, but I suspect it is her son. The question is who is the father. My guess would be FMD.


149 posted on 08/10/2013 4:18:44 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: Texas Fossil
Considering the fact that there's no physical evidence she was in Hawaii before 1963 it's pretty well impossible for an ugly old black man who was older than her own father to have been involved in any way with Stanley Ann Dunham, who showed up with a two year old and took him to the zoo:

If there were any photographs of her with a baby, we would have seen them by now. There aren't any because she wasn't his mother.

150 posted on 08/10/2013 4:33:25 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks Fred. Is there anything more recent than Jan. 2012?


151 posted on 08/10/2013 4:49:15 PM PDT by DrDude (Does anyone have a set of balls anymore?)
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To: DrDude

BREAKING! SUNAHARA V. HDOH DISMISSED
Give Us Liberty ^ | March 8, 2012 | Dean C. Haskins

Posted on 03/08/2012 3:44:57 PM PST by Brown Deer

THE FRAUD AND DECEPTION CONTINUES!...

Unfortunately, the Judge ruled in favor of the State and effectively dismissed the Complaint.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2856546/posts


152 posted on 08/10/2013 4:54:17 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: The Great RJ
"Obama’s whole life is a fabrication so nothing I read or hear about it has credibility. The lies are woven so deeply into what shreds of truth there might be it is impossible to separate the two."

Absolutely RJ. Notice that most, but not all, participants in this thread are newcomers. The agitprop misdirection has worked as well as Chester Arthur's concealment of his birth certificate. A low information society hears, but doesn't understand our legal foundation well enough to grasp that Barack told us all his father was an alien, and HE TOLD US that he is a naturalized citizen. Only a natural born citizen is eligibile to the presidency.

How did he tell us? He said, on his own web site “I am a native-born citizen of the U.S.” His regime understands the nature of our society, and understood that most would not recognize the language of the 14th Amendment, which rendered native-born residents, except for American Indians, “untaxed”, citizens. The intention was to finally settle the issue avoided by our framers, of who were US citizen, to get the Constitution ratified before the Prussians joined the British to reclaim their colonies. Many states had different - non-uniform - naturalization rules, and 1787 was the wrong time to resolve that battle. Our framers specified, in Article 1 section 8, that Congress create “An Uniform rule for Naturalization.” They finally did in 1868, a “naturalization” amendment. Our president must not be a naturalized citizen, the status ascribed to himself. "Natural born citizen" was a term "about which there was never doubt," common-law, and, like every other term in the Constitution, depended upon 'our natural language and law at the time of our framers' (Chief Justice Morrison Waite in Minor v. Happersett).

Both parties are complicit because McCain's citizenship had been examined by Congress 6 times, and through 2 law suits. Three attempts to amend Article II before Obama ran, and after McCain failed to get the nomination, two by John Conyers, one by Menendez and one by Barney Frank failed. So Democrat Senators Obama and his campaign co-chair Clare McCaskill sponsored Senate Bill 2678 in February 2008, the ‘‘Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act’’, to assert that McCain was eligible. It failed to pass, and was unconstitutional anyway. After the bill failed, McCaskill worked with the Democrats in the Senate Judiciary Committee, Pat Leahy chairman, and invented Senate Resolution 511, the "Senator John McCain Natural Born Citizen Resolution" in April 2008, having no force of law. SR 511 claimed that no one questioned POW McCain's loyalty, and his parents were certainly citizens, so we should assume he is a natural born citizen. It did not make law, much as this writer agrees that there should be an amendment for those serving in the military. Every Senator, including Barack Obama, signed SR 511, in which Judge Michael Chertoff asserted “My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied. “That is mine, too,” said Leahy. Obama's parents were not both citizens, but he knew no one would raise the issue.

”The Panama Canal Zone was finally made “sovereign” territory by Congress in 1937, the year after McCain was born. Democrats fought so that McCain could be Obama’s opponent, insuring no challenge of Obama’s certain ineligibility. It has nothing to do with birth certificates.

The questionable birth documents, and probably SS number and Selective Service registration were a diversion, certainly valid questions but well hidden by operatives deeply embedded in our intelligence agencies and state department by such as Wahhabi convert, now CIA Director, John Brennan. They were validated and promoted by Democrat operative Philip Berg in 2008, a script mirroring Chester Arthur who had a confederate, a journalist from his colorful Port Authority days, write a book claiming Arthur was born in Canada. Arthur had hidden his Vermont birth record, and burned it just before he died. (Thank you Leo Donofrio, for scholarship and courage leading to your exposure of the only other ineligible president to hold office.)

153 posted on 08/10/2013 4:56:10 PM PDT by Spaulding
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To: little jeremiah

I have read a lot... I’m just trying to follow all of this :) And these last few posts about it, do all seem to point in the direction that stanley ann is not his mom.I read a lot of fred nerks and butterzillion etc. Thanks


154 posted on 08/10/2013 5:23:15 PM PDT by flowergirl
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To: Nero Germanicus

“According to a report in Irish Times, Presidential hopeful, Barack Obama, has been the SUBJECT of DNA ancestry tests by some leading genealogists and the findings of said DNA ancestry test are likely to raise an eyebrow or two. ...”

They used DNA from presumed relatives to do their analysis. Obama donated none.


155 posted on 08/10/2013 6:04:25 PM PDT by Greenperson
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To: Greenperson

Ralph Bunche
DiplomatRalph J. Bunche was an American political scientist, academic, and diplomat who received the 1950 Nobel Peace Prize for his late 1940s mediation in Palestine. WikipediaBorn: August 7, 1903, Detroit, Michigan, United States
Died: December 9, 1971, New York City, New York, United States
Education: University of California, Los Angeles, Howard University, Harvard University
Awards: Nobel Peace Prize


157 posted on 08/10/2013 6:22:01 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Greenperson
# 145: ...The Bunch/Bunche surname was extremely rare. In 2012 researchers published evidence showing that Bunch male descendants can be traced through historical records and y-DNA analysis to John Punch, an African indentured servant sentenced to life service in 1640, and considered to be the first slave in Virginia.[7] President Barack Obama is also believed to be among Bunch's many descendants...
158 posted on 08/10/2013 6:25:03 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Nero Germanicus

If one had Obama’s DNA, it would be simple.

His and Maya’s mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) would have to be identical.

His and SAD’s mtDNA would have to be identical.

His and Madelyn’s mtDNA would have to be identical.

His and Madelyn’s mother’s mtDNA would have to be identical.

For the male line:

His and George Obama’s y-chromosome would have to be identical. Ditto for any other son of BHO Sr. Their y-chromosome would have to be identical to Zero’s.

His y-chromosome would have to be identical to BHO Sr.’s, BHO Sr.’s father, and to any brother of BHO Sr.’s, so long as they had the same father.

The mtDNA runs through the female line but all SONS of their mother have their mother’s mtDNA—their own children, however, inherit THEIR mother’s mtDNA. So SAD’s mtDNA carries on in Maya’s children but NOT in Zero’s girls.

Even easier is to rule out either alleged parent by the parties having incompatible blood types. That is, if Zero’s blood type is not consistent with either parent. For example, if SAD’s is type O, BHO Sr.’s is type O, but Zero’s is AB, etc.

Alas. Not “bloody” likely anybody’s ever going to be able to make these analyses. It may be why he releases no medical records.


159 posted on 08/10/2013 6:28:54 PM PDT by Greenperson
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To: Greenperson

Blood Group was the first thing that crossed my mind when I read that there were no medical records for zero. That would have to be almost as closely guarded as his identity.


160 posted on 08/10/2013 6:43:05 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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