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Chief Justice Roberts Is A Genius
http://whitehouse12.com ^ | 6.28.12 | I.M. Citizen

Posted on 06/28/2012 1:43:28 PM PDT by Whenifhow

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To: 5thGenTexan

They just might attach the new “penalty taxes” to something essential such as your electric, gas, water utility bills or maybe your internet service.


21 posted on 06/28/2012 1:56:16 PM PDT by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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To: Whenifhow

Actually if Roberts were a genius he would have secured a future for his children and grandchildren. Instead he has knowingly consigned them to hell on earth and by extension all of our children. This nightmare is unworkable. It’s the way civilizations die and his will not be exempt from those horrors.


22 posted on 06/28/2012 1:56:41 PM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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To: corkoman

I’m with you.


23 posted on 06/28/2012 1:57:28 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Running in circles and screaming is not a strategy.)
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To: 5thGenTexan

Would it now be possible for them to enact a penalty tax for not having an abortion?


24 posted on 06/28/2012 1:57:28 PM PDT by Kudsman
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To: Whenifhow
Next, he stated that, because Congress doesn’t have the ability to mandate, it must, to fund Obama-care, rely on its power to tax. Therefore, the mechanism that funds Obama-care is a tax.

Except Obama or his solicitor general did not argue it was a tax or is it written as a tax but that the intent of ObamaCare was a 'mandate.' Roberts ignored the intent and the meaning of the law by becoming an activist judge and changed the law "to a tax" to support his erroneous opinion.

25 posted on 06/28/2012 1:57:46 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: refermech

“but I think when people cool off a little they will see that there is some good that could come from this.”

Put down the crack pipe.

So instead of just killing the bill he not only breathes life into it by calling it a tax, he opens the door for us to be taxed over EVERYTHING (like breathing) and that’s a good thing?

This was BAD, BAD, BAD.


26 posted on 06/28/2012 1:57:51 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Whenifhow

Interestingly enough they seemed to me to be classifying all funds transferred to the state to be a tax no matter what it is called. I think there will be hell to pay for that.


27 posted on 06/28/2012 1:58:09 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: 5thGenTexan
He also set a precedent that states that the Federal Government can apply a penalty tax for behavior

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the Court did - or could - decide that the tax itself is constitutional. That battle will likely be fought later.

28 posted on 06/28/2012 1:59:16 PM PDT by KevinB (We'll stop treating Obama like a dog when he stops treating us like a fire hydrant - Fred Grandy)
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To: corkoman
So yes I am a bit more cool than at 10:20 AM this morning.

As am I. We all naturally wanted it to be over today, but there is a bit more work left to do.

29 posted on 06/28/2012 2:01:07 PM PDT by KevinB (We'll stop treating Obama like a dog when he stops treating us like a fire hydrant - Fred Grandy)
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To: Whenifhow
I agree with a lot of your analysis.

I don't think Roberts acted honorably. I think instead of concentrating only on the constitutionality, he considered the historical political consequences of tossing the whole law, and went french in the face of battle.

But, he did toss conservatives a consolation prize. His majority opinion restricting congress' ability to hide behind the commerce clause while continuing to grow was signed by every liberal hump on the court. I think they were so thrilled to have him on board, they all agreed to whatever phrasing he came up with. Giddy idiots.

Plus, it's a political loss for Team Obama, who now have to face the fact that the economy is in the shitter, and instead of fixing it, they championed the largest middle-class tax hike in American history.

Maybe they can kill bin Laden again.

30 posted on 06/28/2012 2:01:12 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: KevinB

Ummm...the bill would have been dead TODAY if Robert’s hadn’t save it.

Good Lord. What are you smoking?


31 posted on 06/28/2012 2:02:40 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Kudsman
Why not? A penalty tax for claiming more than ## dependents. For the same reason that was given for the mandate (now tax): you making that choice puts a “burden” on the public and affects the “general welfare”.
32 posted on 06/28/2012 2:02:44 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: Whenifhow
You are grasping at straws. You can't unring a bell. You can continue to try to put lipstick on this pig, but it will not work. Roe versu Wade was a bad decision and we are still living with it. So was Kelo.

Roberts had to come with some excuse to make Obamacare constitutional despite the fact that Obama and Congress denied the individual mandate was a tax. Now we are stuck with a legal precedent that will be very difficult to undo even if Obamacare is repealed.

33 posted on 06/28/2012 2:05:02 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Whenifhow

For all those too stupid to understand......ROBERTS SHREDDED WHAT WAS LEFT OF THE CONSTITUTION TODAY.

He stabbed us all in the back.

Talk about denial.


34 posted on 06/28/2012 2:05:20 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Whenifhow

Therefore, a state can decline to participate in Obama-care without penalty. This is obviously a serious problem. Are we going to have 10, 12, 25 states not participating in “national” health-care? Suddenly, it’s not national, is it?

One hopes.


35 posted on 06/28/2012 2:07:02 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Whenifhow

Grasping at straws like the Chief Justice himself if he tried to ratioalize this to others this way.

Politics is Power. We did not have it — they did — in 08, 09, 10, with a little less in 11 and 12, but they still have it. If we don’t have our citizenry that votes with us, we have no power save ineffectual rebellion which will work to their advantage.


36 posted on 06/28/2012 2:07:17 PM PDT by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years.)
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To: Whenifhow
The Byrd Rule, the Senate can use reconciliation to tax.
37 posted on 06/28/2012 2:07:38 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: Smokeyblue
I'm not happy with Roberts vote, but it will be easy to get 60 GOP Senators, are only hope now of completely repealing ObanaCare.
38 posted on 06/28/2012 2:08:32 PM PDT by factmart
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To: Smokeyblue
I'm not happy with Roberts vote, but it will be easier to get 60 GOP Senators, are only hope now of completely repealing ObanaCare.
39 posted on 06/28/2012 2:09:25 PM PDT by factmart
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To: 5thGenTexan

Hmmm. I don’t believe it would brazenly be called such for the revulsion it would rightly generate. I can see it beeping called something like Community Sustainability Ratio. CSR for short. You know how they love the acronyms. Besides who could ever be against community sustainability?


40 posted on 06/28/2012 2:09:49 PM PDT by Kudsman
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