Posted on 06/28/2012 1:31:58 PM PDT by Whenifhow
this man is delusional.
I disagree completely. Even if we follow a sensible twist on Romney’s advice: repeal Obamacare, and replace the liberals in Congress, and even if ObamaCare never returns, this decision will do exceptionally grave damage to the concept of a federal government limited by the Enumerated Powers.
If it’s a tax, then they’re taxing us for being alive. How is that Constitutional?
Art 1, Sec 7 Constitution: 2 raise revenue (taxes) MUST originate in House OCare originated in Senate! Sup Court miss that?
Challenges to Ocare coming!
Exactly. They have only said that it's a tax. They have not said that it's a Constitutional tax. And under the Anti-Injunction Act I don't think they can until the tax is assessed against someone and that person challenges it.
The tax payers are not going to be happy - especially the college kids that voted for them. They're going to get stuck paying for this massive freeloader bill. They're going to be forced to pay big time so the democrat base can sit back, relax, and enjoy the free ride.
As soon as the American workers - even union members - find out this is THE biggest tax increase in American history, they're going to start thinking differently about supporting the tax and spend the democrats.
Consider this.
Ezra Klein: The Political Genius of John Roberts
By voting with the liberals to uphold the Affordable Care Act, Roberts has put himself above partisan reproach. No one can accuse Roberts of ruling as a movement conservative. He’s made himself bulletproof against insinuations that he’s animated by party allegiances.
But by voting with the conservatives on every major legal question before the court, he nevertheless furthered the major conservative projects before the court — namely, imposing limits on federal power. And by securing his own reputation for impartiality, he made his own advocacy in those areas much more effective. If, in the future, Roberts leads the court in cases that more radically constrain the federal government’s power to regulate interstate commerce, today’s decision will help insulate him from criticism. And he did it while rendering a decision that Democrats are applauding.
So, is Obamacare a capitation (or direct tax) layed upon every American head? Or is it a [progressive] income tax? Who collects this tax?
Similar article here
Chief Justice Roberts Is A Genius
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2900590/posts
Screw his "reputation." This isn't suppose to be a popularity contest.
Roberts was told “get it right or Obama will be nominating a new Chief Justice soon”.
Insurance companies for now - everyone who can pay MUST pay. The "fine" or "tax" goes directly to the IRS.
Business will probably drop their coverage because it's cheaper to pay the fine. That will cause the insurance companies to go bankrupt. Government care will be the only care available after that. That's why the fines are so low. They're creating another "crises" by driving insurance companies out of business.
Art 1, Sec 7 Constitution: 2 raise revenue (taxes) MUST originate in House OCare originated in Senate! Sup Court miss that?
Challenges to Ocare coming!
Exactly. This puts the power into the hands of the legislators. Roberts forced democrats to admit they are taxing people.
Jay Cost
Big picture: Today’s ruling on the Commerce Clause was a win for the right
First, the Roberts Court put real limits on what the government can and cannot do. For starters, it restricted the limits of the Commerce Clause, which does not give the government the power to create activity for the purpose of regulating it. This is a huge victory for those of us who believe that the Constitution is a document which offers a limited grant of power…
Conservatives have a shot at getting the best of both worlds: having the Supreme Court use Obamacare as a way to limit federal power while also using the democratic process to overturn the law. I didn’t think we could have one without the other, but now maybe we can.
Bingo! I was waiting for somebody to say what you did, so I could add this: If it's a "tax," then the case is not ripe yet. It will be ripe as soon as somebody pays the tax, and that hasn't happened yet. It will happen in '14, and that's going to be the challenge that kills the bill (unless mooted by Congress and a new President).
I’m trying to look for a silver lining.
I don’t care about his reputation either & I don’t think he cares about his personal reputation. The left will say Roberts is there hero, UNTIL, obama wants to do something that Roberts has just limited. Wait until they wake up and realize that Roberts skunked them. Roberts agreed with every argument the conservatives brought up.
You mean "Government Insurance" (not care) will be the only insurance available.
Insurance companies go away. (I've not used medical insurance for many years, choosing instead to pay for services rendered.) Most everyone pays the "penalty" and chooses their own health care paying the old-fashion way, not insurance, but fee for services rendered, eliminating the insurance middleman altogether.
I would not want to be employed by a medical insurance provider at this point.
Update: Senate GOP Will Use Reconciliation in Attempt to Repeal #Obamacare! http://herit.ag/o2S
Its a poll tax....
The capitation clause of Article I of the United States Constitution, reads “[n]o capitation, or other direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.” Capitation here means a tax of a uniform, fixed amount per taxpayer.[5] Direct tax means a tax levied directly by the United States federal government on taxpayers, as opposed to a tax on events or transactions.[6] The United States government levied direct taxes from time to time during the 18th and early 19th centuries. It levied direct taxes on the owners of houses, land, slaves, and estates in the late 1790s but cancelled the taxes in 1802.
“A poll tax (head tax or capitation tax, per U.S. English usage) is a tax of a portioned, fixed amount applied to an individual in accordance with the census (as opposed to a percentage of income). When a corvée is commuted for cash payment, in effect it becomes a poll tax (and vice versa, if a poll tax obligation can be worked off). Head taxes were important sources of revenue for many governments from ancient times until the 19th century. There have been several famous (and infamous) cases of head taxes in history, notably a tax formerly required for voting in parts of the United States that was often designed to disenfranchise poor people, including African Americans, Native Americans, and white people of non-English descent (e.g., the Irish). In the United Kingdom, poll taxes were levied by the governments of John of Gaunt in the 14th C., Charles II in the 17th and Margaret Thatcher in the 20th century.
The word poll is an English word that once meant “head” - and still does, in some specialised contexts - hence the name poll tax for a per-person tax”
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