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To: Elendur
"... i’d like to see ONE, just ONE credentialed expert sign an affidavit saying it’s not."

Sandra Lines said it best in her analysis of the work done by Pollard on the COLB. Paraphrasing - to determine the authenticity of a document you need - THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT. Since neither of the actual certified copies from the state of Hawaii of the actual 'short form' COLB or the actual LFBC have been made available no credible document expert will put their name on blessing these digital creations or digital photos of reprinted documented. It is just not what forensic specialist do. They look at actual documents.

This is why many of the security features in most states have hard to copy features embedded in them that make the features hard to scan, copy etc. Most states use an embossed seal vs. the very poor de-embossed 'raised seal' Hawaii uses. Embossed seals, by design, do not scan well. I have scanned numerous embossed BCs. The embossing is barely noticeable, even at high resolution, and never do you get a clean logo - by design.

Watermarks are put onto documents to avoid scanning or copying of the watermark. Do the Hawaii documents have watermarks? No. Do they have micro-print? No. Do they have anti-copying backgrounds that clearly say 'COPY' when run through a copy machine? No (but they used to!).

Many will say that because of the lack of the actual document you can not prove fraud. This is using the same logic as confirming an actual document only in reverse. But that is not the case. Fraud can and has been proven time again. On the COLB and for the LFBC. The images are criminal fraud. Criminal by someone in the White House and likely criminal by individuals in Hawaii.

16 posted on 06/26/2011 1:59:33 PM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: bluecat6

If it’s a fake then a prosecuting attorney somewhere in America should be willing to initiate a grand jury investigation for criminal fraud, document tampering and forgery. If the evidence is credible, indictments can be issued.
The American Board of Forensic Document Examiners has certified experts who determine the authenticity of documents in legal proceedings.
Under the Federal Rules of Evidence (rule 902, it can be googled) a birth certificate is a self-authenticating document as long as it carries the state Seal and the signature of the state official authorized to attest to its authenticity. In the case of Hawaii, that would be the signature stamp of Registrar of Vital Statistics Alvin T. Onaka, Ph.D.


29 posted on 06/26/2011 4:19:34 PM PDT by jh4freedom (Mr. "O" has got to go.)
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