Posted on 01/21/2011 9:59:32 AM PST by Absolutely Nobama
One of the fastest ways to get cursed at on Twitter is to compare Nazism to socialism or communism. The Progressivevik trolls who spend day after day on the microblogging social network will defend the "honor" of these failed political systems to the death. Of course, they do so in their near infinite ignorance, since Nazism, socialism, and communism are the same thing.
Let's consider the following talking points I found on a fringe political website. This isn't for the faint of heart, folks.
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"Environment: Transfer all funds from public welfare system and extraneous government into environmental cleanup. Restrict the amount of land that can be used. Redevelop inner cities. Reward with tax breaks those with few electrical appliances. End frivolous and pointless industries, and force widespread recycling in detail."
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"Economics: The economy will serve the State, which serves the Nation, composed of its people. Speculative economics replaced by investment in human capital, agriculture, manufacturing and learning."
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"1. Tax cuts for environmental objectives
Closing the chapter of environmental disaster in human history is our first objective. A simple mandate for change will not achieve its goal, as business is an ecosystem unto itself, and must be given a chance to transition gracefully to a new way of doing things, much as it absorbs any new cost or technology. Over a seven-year period, we will increase taxes while offering large tax cuts for those businesses that achieve environmental objectives; only those businesses which do not produce tangible goods or services, such as pornography and media producers, will remain at the higher tax rate. These tax cuts will be sizable enough to allow businesses to invest most of their income into adapting to environmental requirements, and at the same time, building up infrastructure and becoming more competitive.
The same program will be applied to individuals. Those households which own fewer objects, use less power and produce less waste, will be given a larger break than those who do. Television use will be a means of measuring a family's excess time and wealth. This will not be used excessively into pressuring individuals into a spartan existence, but to encourage limits on the excessive consumption of families as currently seen in the industrialized west."
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Now where would I get these wacky ideas ?
Would it be --
A) Van Jones, the dearly departed UNELECTED "Green Jobs" Czar ?
B) The Tides Foundation ?
C) The Communist Party USA ?
D) The Libertarian National Socialist Green Party ?
The answer is : D (Hey, don't take my word for it. Check out http://www.nazi.org/ and click on the platform tab.)
While thumbing through the website, something was missing, There wasn't the usual howling that everything was the fault of "international Jewish financiers" or "we must act to prevent the horrors of race mixing". (In other words, Geraldo Rivera would have a very boring show if he put these jokers on.) In fact, Steve Martinez (Yes, there's a Neo-Nazi out there named Steve Martinez. I guess they don't want to hear it from the ACLU.) writes in one of their blogs:
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"As critically thinking individuals, we must be honest and admit Judaism is superior to our current culture, which is a hybrid of democratic thinking, Christian morality and an ethic of convenience regarding profit motive. Where contemporary culture in the West comprises two layers, one of spaced-out rhetoric of individuality and equality, and the other of directionless profit motive, Judaism unites the two around a single goal: ethnic-religious consciousness."
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Not exactly Mein Kampf material is it ?
Definitely not, but the above snippets, minus the one extoling the virtues of Judaism written by Herr Martinez, sure do sound like leftist blogs like the Daily Kos, or one of the columns one might find in the HuffingtonandPuffington Post.
Therein lies the danger.
Folks, the American New Left, whether they want to call themselves Progressives, socialists, communists, Libertarian National Socialist Green Party members, or anything else their imaginations can come up with, are a clear and present danger to our way of life. The left couldn't care less about poverty, the environment, and whatever the pet cause is for this week. They are only interested in power and telling you how to live your life. Social issues are merely tools to these folks.
Make no mistake about it: I'm not interested in becoming the next Juan Williams- like casualty in the Lefty/Righty war. I'm not saying the Libertarian National Socialist Green Party is one of George Soros' puppets. I'm willing to bet these people are just another fringe group. It is, however, rather spooky that these weirdoes sound eerily similiar to George Soros' puppets.
And a certain socialist President.
God help us all.
Don’t want to hurt your feelings, but Nazism is not an economic system. You may be confusing Nazism with fascism.
Nazism=communism=socialism=progressivism.
Correction: There are multiple suckers born every minute..
True, Nazism itself isn’t an economic system, however, it is a political system that has direct control over economic issues so they are tied together. Separating it is simply a game of semantics. Nazism uses Socialist economic models that work on a top down method versus Communism which is bottom up.
“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” —Adolf Hitler
(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)
“The goal is power, to make all necks ready for the same yoke.”
-Ellsworth Toohey in Ayn Rand’s “The Fountainhead”.
NDSAP.
Nazionalsozialischte Deutche Arbeiter Partei.
(National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.
These folks who tweet their belief in socialism ALL suffer from the same delusions:
1) Socialism works-—it does not and they know it
2) Socialism is for the PEOPLE but they will SOMEHOW be excused from having the state control THEIR lives.
3) Socialism is human progress.... It’s not, at BEST it’s stagnation and at worst it’s depopulation.
4) People will see how wonderful collectivism is with all it’s promises of food,shelter and prosperity that they will FREELY abandon capitalism. This has NEVER happened in ANY nation.EVER.
5) Socialism will work with the RIGHT people in CHARGE...specifically THEM.
6) One who has Disagreements with socialism equals non-enlightened,selfish, uneducated and greedy.
Barack Obama has an economic view that makes you go HMMM...as in Hitler, Mussolini, Marx, and Mao. It's an interesting combination, how he has blended them. As seen in the bailouts, he shares corporatist views with George W Bush*, though.
"In actual fact, it is the State, i.e. the taxpayer, who has become responsible to private enterprise. In Fascist Italy the State pays for the blunders of private enterprise. As long as business was good, profit remained to private initiative. When the depression came, the Government added the loss to the tax-payer's burden. Profit is private and individual. Loss is public and social."Mussolini bailed out industries that were "too big to fail," such as banks and auto makers. Small business was left to die.--Under the Axe of Fascism, by Gaetano Salvemini, p. 416 (1936).
*From Deroy Murdock (NRO):
Bush’s eight-year-long spending spree, his signature on at least 69,341 earmarks, his barely touched veto pen, his $783 billion Medicare drug entitlement, and his massive financial bailout (so far: $3.35 trillion in actual outlays and $13.35 trillion in total guarantees and commitments) apparently are not enough. Bush believes that what taxpayers really need is yet another $40 billion for Detroit to spend with little assurance that automakers will make the major reforms needed to restore their competitiveness.It's interesting to note that Mr. Murdock's column is titled: "Comrade Bush’s Car Bailout: How does a GOP president push for full-scale, union-approved, taxpayer-funded central planning?"
Yes, fascism and national socialism are close buddies.
Nazi == National Socialist. Emphasis on Socialist.
What do you think "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" means?
"Fascism" was Benito Mussolini's variant on the same socialist ideology.
Of course they aren't.
The political systems of the UK (constitutional monarchy) and US (republic) are very different in form, even though quite similar in effects. That doesn't mean they are "the same thing."
Socialism is a very broad term, and saying "all socialists are the same" is idiotic. Unless you think Sweden for the last 60 years is "the same thing" as Nazi Germany or the USSR under Stalin.
Socialism is (in theory) a political/economic ideology focused on producing human equality in all aspects, especially economic. It can be mild to the point where it becomes more a slogan than anything else. Or it can be extreme, as with communism. Which can itself vary in virulence, or at least in death toll.
There are two main basic varieties of extreme socialism: fascism/Nazism and communism.
Communism is intended to unite all proletarians (whatever that means in today's terms) of all nations against the middle and upper classes of all nations and bring about utopia. It is quite unconcerned about how many people it has to kill the accomplish this. Its uniting principle is horizontal.
Fascism/Nazism is a heretical version of socialism (because it rejects the idea of equality) that unites people vertically. All members and classes of the nation/race unite to dominate/assimilate (or possibly exterminate) all other nations/races. It is at least equally unconcerned with how many people it has to kill.
All extremist forms of socialism tend to be similar in their practice, but their goals are very different. Although probably that makes little difference to their victims.
I disagree. Socialism/nazism/progreesivism, etc. all involve subjugating the individual to the state. You can’t get a little pregnant. You either are or are not.
True, but please remember that the "corporations" here are not modern business corporations, or at least not mostly.
They were bodies (literal meaning of the term) of people that represented their members. These could be business corporations, farmers' coops, labor unions, professional associations, etc.
The theory is that people would be represented by occupation rather than geographical location. It is not an inherently evil theory.
Italian Fascism made an attempt to put corporatism (in this sense) into action, but in reality never got it going. The Germans never even really made such an attempt. They just became an authoritariam state where government was all delegated from the Fuehrer.
But please give up the leftist notion that fascist corporatism means "rule by business corporations," which is used to demonize any business influence on government.
BTW, there are many reasons to be opposed to crony capitalism and excessive business influence in government, but it being "the same thing" as fascism isn't one of them.
We’re getting into semantics here.
What you are discussing is the relationship of individuals to the state. Not all totalitarian or authoritarian systems are socialist. Some (at least historically) have been openly oligarchic or aristocratic (Sparta, mandarin China), etc.
All excessively powerful governments are evil. This doesn’t mean they are all socialist.
Socialism is the epitome of evil government. There are no shades of gray when it comes to this. Any government that has a drop of it is irredeemably evil.
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