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Uh Oh, Healthcare Bill Leads To Rift In The RC Church
http://radioviceonline.com/ ^ | March 20, 2010 | Jim Vicevich

Posted on 03/20/2010 9:23:29 AM PDT by Biggirl

Editors Note: I owe much of this post to the hard work of Ed Morrissey at Hot Air. He has a specific take on this and it is well worth reading. I am posting on this because it is of great importance to me. The schism continues grow in the RCC over this very bad healthcare bill. Not surprising in a country where many Catholics have treated their religion like a buffet, or, yes, a cafeteria, where you can pick and choose for yourself what you like and throw the rest in the trash. But when the RC Church is used to push, not just a bad bill, but warp Church dogma and doctrine then as the Anchoress says:

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TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Religion
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholic; pelosi

1 posted on 03/20/2010 9:23:29 AM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl
There is no rift. No one who supports abortion is a Catholic. PERIOD.

And God-willing, the Catholic Church will finally and forcefully remind the non-Catholics speaking with a "Catholic" moniker of this.

2 posted on 03/20/2010 9:25:14 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Biggirl

To imply that the Catholic Church either directly or tacitly approves of socialism or government funded abortions is simply dishonest.


3 posted on 03/20/2010 9:26:53 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Biggirl

Wrong conclusion. It isn’t the healthcare bill that is causing the rift, but the dishonesty and corruption of Obama and his thugs. We can encourage the honest Catholics, but they themselves must solve the problem.


4 posted on 03/20/2010 9:27:08 AM PDT by righttackle44 (Is Obama an Irish, Italian or Japanese name?)
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To: pnh102

There is no rift. There ARE dissidents from what the Catholic Church stands for. They do have other choices, should they choose to go.


5 posted on 03/20/2010 9:29:13 AM PDT by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: bboop
They do have other choices, should they choose to go.

Yes. They can repent like the rest of us are called to do. And given some of the more explosive things that have come from me in the past few days... I just felt I had to say this.

6 posted on 03/20/2010 9:31:56 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Biggirl

Bullocks. Any idiot can call herself “Catholic” while worshipping Satan. Doesn’t make it so, though.


7 posted on 03/20/2010 9:32:18 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Mother of your new alien overlords. You want to be on my good side.)
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To: pnh102

Doesn’t your church have a thing called excommunication for things like this? Are there other disciplinary steps that can be taken?


8 posted on 03/20/2010 9:36:28 AM PDT by Grunthor (Mary was the temple of God, not the god of the temple)
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To: Biggirl
Being born and raised a Protestant,I naturally dissent over the exclusive divinity claims of the RCC.
But when it comes to fighting organized preborn genocide (OPG) the Papists are definitely on the side of the Lord.
9 posted on 03/20/2010 9:36:38 AM PDT by Happy Rain ( "Tyranny's End In 2010--Delivered From Hell In 2012!")
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To: Grunthor
Doesn’t your church have a thing called excommunication for things like this?

I am not a practicing Catholic, so I can cheer on all day long for such people to be excommunicated, but it is up to the Catholic Church itself to do this.

10 posted on 03/20/2010 9:39:32 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102

I hate to tell you but a priest in my parish wholeheartedly supports the bill. When I personally wrote him about my disgust for the bill he replied that universal coverage is more important than worrying about the abortion parts of the bill. I haven’t given a penny to my church since then.


11 posted on 03/20/2010 9:44:31 AM PDT by tell me
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To: tell me
I hate to tell you but a priest in my parish wholeheartedly supports the bill.

That is disgusting. I hope you can find a parish that is more aligned with Christ.

When I personally wrote him about my disgust for the bill he replied that universal coverage is more important than worrying about the abortion parts of the bill.

I wonder if he cited the part of the Gospel in which Jesus directs us to support government-run health care in his response?

I haven’t given a penny to my church since then.

GOOD.

12 posted on 03/20/2010 9:48:09 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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Good for you. They should not get a penny.

Unfortunately, withholding money from the parish will not cause this idiot to starve to death.


13 posted on 03/20/2010 9:50:23 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: pnh102
I am not a practicing Catholic, so I can cheer on all day long for such people to be excommunicated, but it is up to the Catholic Church itself to do this.

The RCC can be commended for its official stance on these kind of social issues. Unfortunately, there is its official posture on the one hand and the dominance of indifferent, cafeteria Roman Catholics on the other. One solution is for the hierarchy of the RCC to crack down on the most public deviants from its teachings via excomunications or by not allowing these folks to receive the Eucharist. It's the very least they can - but hardly ever - do. Which is why the RCC's "authority" is ultimately toothless, and RC Dems like Pelosi, Biden, Gutierrez, Granholm, etc., etc. continue to flaunt their anti-RC positions in the RCC's face.

14 posted on 03/20/2010 9:58:23 AM PDT by arturo ("A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it." - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: pnh102

The Church had the chance to be more forcefull in their explanation of why not to vote for Obama but blew it prior to the elections. I know, separation of Church and State, blah, blah, blah. Hence 53% of Catholic voters voted for 0.

I think that if the elections were held again, the result would be the same. I wish these same nuns would have opened their mouths in 2008.


15 posted on 03/20/2010 11:04:39 AM PDT by 353FMG (What can Islam possibly contribute to the West other than its destruction?)
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To: pnh102

I’m sorry, I assumed.


16 posted on 03/20/2010 11:10:58 AM PDT by Grunthor (Mary was the temple of God, not the god of the temple)
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To: pnh102

But the Church MUST ENFORCE the rules BIGTIME. I do not see it now as a Catholic.


17 posted on 03/20/2010 11:42:09 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: arturo

That is what is hurting the Church, non-enforcement.


18 posted on 03/20/2010 11:43:31 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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