Mountain Lion Killed By Wolves in Sun Valley

The Great White Hunter ^ | 3/1/10 | Ryan Benson

[Hot Tabasco]

Read the article, apparently the local wildlife people agree its a wolf kill.

I did but I'm not buying it......

[Hot Tabasco]

Read the article

OK, I read it thru this time and it appears you are right. The pics don't do the story justice though.......

[PIF]

But they have to go out to feed -— and then the wolves will howl...

[RipSawyer]

Feral dogs appear to be much more dangerous than wolves.

[RipSawyer]

My first dog was the best all around, extremely versatile, he would tree squirrels, chase and catch rabbits, herd cattle, swine, goats or sheep and a long list of other abilities. He was half Collie (not Border Collie) and half German Shepherd. I just had to bury a thirteen year old Border Collie and she was amazingly smart but I don’t know if she would ever have done all those things.

[101voodoo]

Wolves don’t always eat what they kill and sometimes they eat before they kill.

Interesing. I thought man was the only animal which killed for the sake of killing. Do you know of any other animals behaving in this way?

The cougar was competition for the wolves. Anything else is speculation.

Can't argue with that

[driftdiver]

I agree the pics don’t do the story justice. Hard to tell but I’ve seen numerous other stories where the wolves disembowel their prey first.

[driftdiver]

‘Interesing. I thought man was the only animal which killed for the sake of killing. Do you know of any other animals behaving in this way?”

Killer whales for one

There’s a reason there used to be a bounty on wolves in the lower 48. I wonder how many ranchers will be ruined and people killed before the bounty is returned.

[Clemenza]

Is wolf tasty, or would we have to export the meat to China?

[george76]

Wolf packs will kill anything...even each other.

[AdmSmith]

To put this in perspective, check out the situation in Romania:

Romania still has one of the largest areas of undisturbed forest in Europe. The natural integrity of Romanian forest ecosystems is indicated by the presence of the full range of European forest fauna, including 60% and 40% respectively of the European brown bear and wolf populations.
http://enrin.grida.no/biodiv/biodiv/national/romania/robiodiv.htm

The Carpathian Mountains in Romania are home to more than 3,000 wolves and some 5,500 brown bears. At the same time, more than five million sheep graze during summer on the alpine meadows within the carnivore range. Flocks are intensively protected by livestock guarding dogs and shepherds, however, there are neither subsidies nor compensation for livestock losses. Hence, it is the only place in Europe where carnivores and livestock share the same environment in high densities.

The Carpathian Large Carnivore Project (CLCP, the largest research and conservation project in central and eastern Europe) has investigated large carnivore-livestock conflicts and their economic dimension in the southeastern Carpathians from 1998 to 2000.

Losses varied considerably from camp to camp (Table 1, below). Our results show that it is the quality of dogs and shepherds and the way the sheep are kept that determines the amount of damage.

There is no direct livestock depredation control in Romania. However, if complaints about losses get too high, the holder of the hunting rights for the area might apply to kill a higher number of wolves during the winter hunting season. Poaching of carnivores occurs to some degree by means of traps, snares, or poison.

The CLCP has initiated the use of electric fences as an additional tool for overnight livestock protection. The first tests have been very encouraging, with no losses of livestock at all.

Table 1: Characteristics per individual camp
Characteristics	Range 1998	Range 1999	Range 2000	Average 1998	Average 1999	Average 2000
Sheep	50-1,200	22-1,200	100-1,000	530	407	468
Total losses	0-33	0-49	0-16	8.6	9.2	2.9
Losses to wolves	0-32	0-31	0-16	7.0	3.4	1.8
Losses to bears	0-11	0-26	0-5	1.6	5.8	1.1
Number of guarding dogs	2-14	4-17	3-13	7	9	8
Number of shepherds	2-9	3-15	2-12	5	6	5

http://www.tkinter.smig.net/Romania/Wolves/

[isom35]

that looks to me like the same mountain lion that threatened Kim in season 2 of 24.

[Joya]

Thanks. Maybe after work or it will wait till my day off later in the week.

[driftdiver]

So what does Romania have to do with the USA?

[AdmSmith]

This gives an example of the possibility to live with wolves. The density of wolves in Romania is many times higher than the density in the US, besides the European wolves are more aggressive than the ones in the US. QED.

[driftdiver]

A wolf taking down a cougar seems pretty aggressive to me.

[meadsjn]

This gives an example of the possibility to live with wolves. The density of wolves in Romania is many times higher than the density in the US, besides the European wolves are more aggressive than the ones in the US. QED.

Other than the Romanians' world class example of term limits on Nicolae and Elena, I don't know why we would want to model our nation after theirs.

[OneVike]

I found this here at Hunt and Tell

This wolf was found just out of Edson , Alberta .. Edson is just east of where
many of our Yellowstone wolves came ( not sure what ‘found’ means.)

Hi… I live in Buck lake Alberta Canada…. 20 min from Drayton Valley where the big wolf was shot… I found more photos of it and its said to weighed 197 pounds… The hunters were said to been baiting bear and the wolf chased off a large bear… we had a malamute husky that was this big.. as big as this wolf… the tracks are from a wolf that been eating our cows 2 or 3 a week… I’m sure if we fed our husky a large calf every couple days he would of been larger than the wolf…

remember the camera angle can make things look bigger… like a hunter sitting behind a elk… makes the elk look bigger… believe it or not my brother who weighed 190 pounds grabbed my cousin who weighed 250 pounds and bench pressed him off the ceiling, he worked the service rigs… any man can easily lift a 200 pound wolf like these men are…

I’ve seen the wolfs twice that have been taking down the cows and they look large to me… wolf hunter are welcome… happy hunting

[Defiant]

More like Ranchers 1, Eco-nuts 3923

[Defiant]

A wolf taking down a cougar seems pretty aggressive to me.

Isn't a pack of good hunting dogs able to do the same thing?