Posted on 02/23/2010 8:02:16 AM PST by butterdezillion
I've updated my blog to include the e-mail from Janice Okubo confirming that they assign birth certificate numbers in the state registrar's office and the day they do that is the "Date filed by state registrar".
The pertinent portion from Okubo's e-mail:
In regards to the terms “date accepted” and “date filed” on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of O’ahu or on the neighbor islands of Kaua’i, Hawai’i, Maui, Moloka’i, or Lana’i), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of O’ahu) respectively.
MY SUMMARY: As you can see, Okubo said that the “Date filed by the State Registrar” is the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office).
There are no pre-numbered certificates. A certificate given a certificate number on Aug 8th (Obama’s Factcheck COLB) would not be given a later number than a certificate given a number on Aug 11th (the Nordyke certificates).
There is no way that both the date filed and the certificate number can be correct on the Factcheck COLB. The COLB is thus proven to be a forgery.
Berg claims he filed a FOIA for Obama’s Passport application
and the State Department's response was they do not have a U.S. Passport application on file for Barack H. Obama.
“Renewing an Indonesian Passport after the age of 18 is an affirmative act, as you are swearing allegiance to another Country. Soetoro/Obama renewed his Indonesian Passport when he traveled to Pakistan, that is why he had to stop in Indonesia first. Remember, in 1981, Dunham was divorcing Soetoro in Hawaii and was not in Indonesia. Obama/Soetoro admits to traveling to Indonesia first and then onto Pakistan. Soetoro/Obama claims in his book “Dreams from my father” that he stopped in Indonesia to visit his mother. But again, his mother was not in Indonesia, she was in Hawaii with Maya, divorcing Lolo Soetoro. In addition, the State Department has stated in response to a FOIA request that they do not have a U.S. Passport application on file for Barack H. Obama.”
You are right on Beckwith!
McCain and the rest of DC have been in on it ever since they started pushing those bills that ended with SR511 “certifying” McCain an NBC. Obama Co-Sponsored the bills because he KNEW it compromised the entire GOP and they would not be able to stop him.
Checkmate.
Now lets KICK THE BASTARDS OUT!!!!!
Ping to more circular logic about the datestamp and certificate number on the COLB.
WHOLEY CRAP.
This is the smoking gun.
This is the best evidence I have seen yet that the house of cards is about to come crashing down.
Oh no.... this is not circular logic at all. It makes 100% sense and matches COMPLETELY what I know of my own birth in Hawaii and all the information on my COLB and Long form.
Also check post 41
This is smoking hot gun with bouncing shell casing.
Who is Winston Smith?
It’s hard accepting the fact that we’ve been taken over by Islam, huh?
I only made a brief stop here, earlier. I figured the Birther Units needed some “collective” time together after that little “Orly Goes to the U.N.” thingie. That’s got to sting! Ouch!
Captain Quest, who did not call the Sanity Squad into action
Not really, I have been screaming about it for a long time, months and months before the elections. The real sense of doom came when Hillary lost.
LOL No one really pays much attention to O’rly. She is useful in that she keeps in in the press, but not in a good way.
That being said, I still think the cretin was born in Hawaii, but there is something REAL irregular about it.
He amended his Birth records during the period he decided to run for POTUS. WHY WOULD HE NEED TO DO THAT?
Maybe his real daddy is Frank Davis?
parsy, who is going to miss Orly when she is gone
Have you ever seen your birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers?
I thought I heard you say earlier that you were not born at Kapiolani. Is that correct?
"Historically, most often the 'date accepted' and the 'date filed' is the same date as the majority of births occur on O’ahu (the island with the largest population in our state). In the past, when births were recorded on paper they may have been accepted at a health office on an island other than O’ahu, such as Kaua’i. The paper record would then need to be sent to O’ahu to have a file number placed on it, and the filed date would then be sometime later (as you know, the state of Hawai’i is comprised of multiple islands with miles of water in between). The electronic age has changed this process significantly, and it was determined some time ago that one date would suffice."
Obama claims he was born in Honolulu. So his filed and accepted dates would be the same as noted above by Okubo?
butterdezillion also left out this little nugget.
It is difficult for me to respond to your request because I do not possess a legal background. I can verify that sufficient evidentiary requirements must be met for the DOH to issue a certificate of live birth.
If Obama's online COLB is not a forgery, then the above statement indicates that he submitted sufficient evidence to obtain a COLB, does it not?
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
- Edmund Burke
Bless you for what you do.
I was born at Queens Kaiser Hospital. Know as Queens Hospital by the locals.
I have never seen my birth announcement in the papers. I don’t know if I had one. I can ask my mom, she would know I would think.
That’s nice but doesn’t solve the problem.
You don’t seem to be comprehending that the combination of date filed and certificate number, when compared with a birth certificate we know is legitimate (the Nordyke certificates), is shown to be an impossible combination.
The Factcheck COLB is absolutely a forgery.
What Okubo is saying here is that they used to have a “date accepted” and a “date filed” on their COLB’s. They’ve abandoned that because for most people the number was the same anyway since most births were on Oahu AND because birth certificates are filed electronically now, so the information goes from the hospital to the health offices instantaneously.
That doesn’t change the fact that the certificate number is given by the DOH on the “date filed”. There were no pre-numbered certificates getting mixed up in different piles at the hospital or at the DOH - which was the previous explanation for why Obama’s cert# was later than Nordykes’ even though it was filed 3 days earlier than theirs.
The theory that the Nordyke twins should have certificate numbers higher than Obama based upon dates is a non-starter. The premise assumes that:
I worked as a title clerk at an automobile dealership during college. The Sales and Finance staff brought up stacks of paperwork every couple of days for vehicles that needed to be titled. Paperwork never went through their offices in an orderly manner. There was always something missing or incomplete: missing signatures, incomplete odometer statements, etc.
I didn’t process paperwork by the date a vehicle was sold/purchased. I processed stacks of paperwork from the top of the stack to the bottom of the stack setting aside any paperwork for which I still needed something. That meant that vehicles were assigned tag numbers according to when I received the paperwork, their order in the current stack I was processing, and when I was finally able to complete the titlework. The date of sale had little correlation with the assigned tag number.
The paperwork for two separate vehicles purchased on the same day and sold by two different salesmen weren’t automatically processed and titled on the same day or even the same week.
84 posted on Tuesday, February 02, 2010 3:00:05 PM by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
No, it’s not an impossible combination. See my post at #59. Y’all came the conclusion that the date and certificate number were an impossible combination based on incorrect assumptions.
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