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‘Hope and Change’ is Dead, the audacity of complete Failure (Special election gloat post)
1/19/2010 | sickoflibs

Posted on 01/19/2010 8:45:11 PM PST by sickoflibs

It’s over folks. Not just the Massachusetts Senate election but any Democrat health care reform bill. Democrat’s chances of passing a health care reform bill that looks like anything like we have seen is about zero. The rest of the battle against Democrats till the November election is downhill from here. If you had been watching MSNBC the past few days you could see the democrat party and Obama White House preparing for this humiliating loss. Story after story was about Martha Coakley's coming defeat and about how she screwed up. Last night Chris Matthews did a 2 hour special on Obama’s first year in history. Tonight Matthews is reporting on what went wrong during Obama’s first year. Was this great timing or what? In fact tonight on MSNBC Rachael Maddow took issue with Matthews assumption that something went wrong with the Democrat party and started an argument with him about it (a classic moment.)

Obama and the democrat leadership have a terrible job. They can’t give up this battle where defeat is certain. You will hear lots about the various options democrats have to pass a bill. The truth is that even without this special election Democrats would have had a hell of a time combining the two bills and passing a single one with its popularity so low. In fact it is doubtful that the House and Senate could have even passed the same two bills in January again let alone a single bill. Now this election defeat will send shock waves through democrats up for election in November. The leadership’s options have gotten even worse. Republicans smell blood as does the MSM, and democrats are wounded and cornered with few options.

So what are the options Democrats have proposed ? ( I saw many on MSNBC the Obama channel tonight .) Option 1 is to convince the House Democrats to pass the Senate bill with no change requiring no new Senate vote. The problem with this is the Senate bill is unpopular with everyone, even liberals. Option 2 is to pass the Senate bill as in option 1 but promise house democrats that it will be fixed in a later Senate (50 vote) budget reconciliation bill. This would require convincing the House democrats that the bill would be fixed by the Senate later (after being burned multiple times). And many parts of the bill could not be changed using reconciliation. For example reconciliation could probably not be used to create a public health plan. Option #3 is to pass a bill fast before Senator Scott Brown is seated. I will predict that Democrats are now too spooked by this loss to try to move on the Health Reform bill before he is seated. In fact Jim Webb and Barney Frank have already come out tonight with statements opposing passing a bill before he is seated.

Obama is now going to be even more tempted than he was earlier in the year to get a bill by compromise with some republicans. He will make the argument to democrats that compromise is the only option. But now Republicans even RINOs are embolden by the election loss and polls, moderate democrats are scared to vote and the liberals are still convinced that it was compromise that created the crappy Senate bill that everyone hates, and is what led to the Massachusetts Senate loss. Once again, it’s the perfect position to be in if you are the minority. Enjoy!


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: 111th; 2010; democrats; healthcare; hopeychangey; ma; marthacoakley; mccainordie; neutered; obamacare; scottbrown
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1 posted on 01/19/2010 8:45:12 PM PST by sickoflibs
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To: sickoflibs

Dear Washington,
Can you hear us now???


2 posted on 01/19/2010 8:47:30 PM PST by Beaten Valve
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To: SE Mom; Eye of Unk; exnavy; ~Vor~; Waco; exit82; mazda77; Right_in_Virginia; kempster; mombonn; ...
Did you think I could pass this up ?? Celebrate!
3 posted on 01/19/2010 8:48:01 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid")
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To: sickoflibs

I hope they keep pushing this socialist healthcare crap,its the gift that keeps on giving.


4 posted on 01/19/2010 8:48:17 PM PST by nomad
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To: sickoflibs

Loved one of the signs I saw: Washington Was this Loud Enough?


5 posted on 01/19/2010 8:49:03 PM PST by fujimoh
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They’re in such deep $h!t.


6 posted on 01/19/2010 8:50:32 PM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: sickoflibs

I wanna see a headline of a newspaper in the morning somewhere that proclaims in big bold print “OBAMA NEUTERED”


7 posted on 01/19/2010 8:50:39 PM PST by diverteach
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To: Harrius Magnus; mojitojoe; Pelham; mom2twinsn2; LongLiveTheRepublic; ConservativeOrBust; ...
The Peter Schiff/Redistribution Watch Ping. (Washington Bankrupting our Nation by Spending your past, present and future money!)

Enjoy, we waited years for this day!

8 posted on 01/19/2010 8:50:45 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid")
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> In fact Jim Webb and Barney Frank have already come out tonight with statements opposing passing a bill before he is seated.

Webb is one of the tolerable opposing senators so it’s not surprising. Barney Frank, on the other hand, he’s got a crush on SB after seeing those pics..


9 posted on 01/19/2010 8:50:58 PM PST by max americana
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To: sickoflibs

HOPE. CHANGE.


10 posted on 01/19/2010 8:51:15 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Pants on the ground pants on the ground lookin like a fool wit yo pants on the ground)
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31693.html
11 posted on 01/19/2010 8:51:18 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: nomad
The only way they can push it is by dirty tricks, which will just enrage the electorate more. As Scott Brown said in his speech tonight, the machine has many surprises in store for it this year.
12 posted on 01/19/2010 8:51:28 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Beaten Valve

Loud and very clear.


13 posted on 01/19/2010 8:52:00 PM PST by TexasNative2000 (This seems like fairly decisive evidence that the dream can, in fact, die.)
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To: sickoflibs; Clintonfatigued; bitt; Bitsy; GOPsterinMA; sheik yerbouty; jesseam; 70th Division; ...

The November campaigns should start now with signs in yards all across the country. Even without candidates, put up signs against the RAT/RINOs. Remind your neighbors what these traitors have done to our country.

Signs could highlight the unemployment numbers, the amount of debt, terrorists being given the rights of citizens, trying a terrorist in NYC and the cost, and the list goes on. Signs illuminating what Zero has in yards and on billboards coast to coast would be awesome. Starting NOW.


14 posted on 01/19/2010 8:52:33 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: sickoflibs

It’s not over. It’s only the beginning.


15 posted on 01/19/2010 8:52:39 PM PST by OldEagle
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To: sickoflibs

AHHHH..... sweet revenge.......


16 posted on 01/19/2010 8:53:34 PM PST by SDS
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To: sickoflibs

I am so way above gloating.


17 posted on 01/19/2010 8:54:55 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: sickoflibs

The liberals are going to eat their own. It can be a complete rout if the GOP leadership plays this right.

By right, I mean if they listen to the Tea Party. The energy to rout the liberals is not found inside the Beltway...it is found across the fruited plain in the Tea Party.

If they turn a deaf ear to the small-government branch of the party, they will get tossed out just as easily as Croakley did tonight.


18 posted on 01/19/2010 8:55:24 PM PST by comps4spice (Obama = FAIL)
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You can rest assured that the GOP will NOT play this right.
19 posted on 01/19/2010 8:58:59 PM PST by workerbee (Yes, I hate Obama because of his color: RED!)
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To: sickoflibs
I ain't gonna gloat (well, not too much) or count my chickens until November of 2012. And we still have 2010 to address first.

This is a start - a good start to be sure, but the revolution has just begun in earnest.

20 posted on 01/19/2010 9:00:51 PM PST by AFreeBird
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