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AR15.com ^ | Sep 25, 2009 | An Ohio State LEO

Posted on 09/27/2009 7:23:36 AM PDT by Travis McGee

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To: caver
I am a proud OATHKEEPER maybe I am on their list. Better
not be asking you guys to join me in defending our families and country. So pay no attention to my request to join the oathkeepers.org
21 posted on 09/27/2009 7:52:24 AM PDT by manonCANAL
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To: Travis McGee
I would relish your thoughts on the scenario that concerns me the most, and which I think is the more difficult one to prepare for. You are suddenly that domestic terrorist, not because you have committed terrorist acts, but because of what you believe. They are coming for you. Now survive.

You can imagine what's stacked against you. You have to survive long enough to turn public sentiment in your favor. Not unlike our forefathers and ultimately you must save your country.

The public sentiment part is the real pisser, what with the state-run media calling on all its brainwashed drones to find and report you, like that scene in Fahrenheit 451:

*****************************

Watch for a man running through the streets.

Repeating.
Calling all citizens.

Wanted for murder.
Montag.

Fireman.

The criminal is alone and on foot.

Let each one stand at his front door.

Look and listen.

Watch for a man running through the streets.

Repeating.
Calling all citizens.

Wanted for murder.
Montag.

Fireman.

The criminal is alone and on foot.

Let each one stand at his front door.

Look and listen.

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There are ways of negating this, but not for discussion in a public forum.

22 posted on 09/27/2009 8:03:24 AM PDT by Charles Martel (NRA Lifetime Member since 1984; TSRA rookie)
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To: ETL

So they don’t really believe we are terror threats, they just want to disseminate that to law enforcement throughout the country, in effect brainwash those law enforcement officers who can’t think for themselves into suspecting people like us and/or harassing us in order to shut us up.


23 posted on 09/27/2009 8:04:18 AM PDT by uncitizen
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To: manonCANAL

Um, if you are a Freeper, YOU ARE ON SOME BIG GOV LEFTIST’S LIST. So that’s water under the bridge for all of us...


24 posted on 09/27/2009 8:06:35 AM PDT by piytar (Zero pimping propaganda on all SRM channels at once: Big Brother in 2009! NRA Lifetime Member)
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To: Travis McGee

25 posted on 09/27/2009 8:09:18 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: uncitizen
Exactly. Conservative talk radio, Fox, and many blogs and websites like FR were all over Obama's links to the revolutionary communist terrorists, Ayers and Dohrn. Also Reverend Wright's Black Liberation Theology, which actually advocates communist revolution. The Obamunists no doubt felt they needed to somehow strike back in that area, no matter how ridiculous the attempt.

For all you'll ever need or want to know about Wright's
RACIST, COMMUNIST "Black Liberation Theology",
see my FR Home page:
http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/

Hint...

"Their founding document [the Weather Underground's] called for the establishment of a "white fighting force" to be allied with the "Black Liberation Movement" and other "anti-colonial" movements[1] to achieve "the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism."..."-Berger, Dan (2006). Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity. AK Press, 95.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_Underground#cite_ref-Berger_0-0

Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity (Paperback) by Dan Berger
http://www.amazon.com/Outlaws-America-Underground-Politics-Solidarity/dp/1904859410
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Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright and Dr. William Ayers
are greeted by Rebekah Levin with the Committee
for a Just Peace in Israel and Palestine.
(Chuck Berman/Chicago Tribune / May 17, 2009)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-ayers_wrightmay18,0,6689521.story

26 posted on 09/27/2009 8:15:42 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Travis McGee
The 1960s Marxist-Alinsky hippie street rabble and their ideological issue (children) arguably have become "the Establishment."

It's taken forty years of infiltrating virtually every aspect of our society but there they are. Obama is a biological and ideological child of 1960s Marxist-Alinsky hippie street rabble and so apparently is the "instructor" at least an ideological child of 1960s Marxist-Alinsky hippie street rabble.

27 posted on 09/27/2009 8:21:45 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Travis McGee

The most concerning part is that 49 of the 50 in the class
sat there silently and did not question the premise.


28 posted on 09/27/2009 8:40:12 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: CodeToad
RE: "She may be only 1%, 50%, or even 100% of the LEOs out there, but she and her fellow like minded LEOs number enough to be serious trouble."

That is indeed worrisome. It's always worried me that there are "it all counts toward 30" LEO employees out there but I had no idea that estimates of the number could go high enough to be serious trouble -- and most surprising -- that there's blind, pro-government, no-matter-what belief and "anyone not fully supporting the government deserves whatever the government does to them."

That could complicate matters getting LEO cooperation..

If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!

29 posted on 09/27/2009 8:40:14 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Travis McGee

“The Feds simply don’t have enough resources, but could remedy that with foreign help.”

Time to bring in those UN troops ... coming soon blue helmets on every street corner.


30 posted on 09/27/2009 8:42:37 AM PDT by PIF
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To: hiredhand

ping


31 posted on 09/27/2009 8:44:37 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: Travis McGee

So, is this an anonymous comment on some blog? Can it be verified?

If what this person says is true and it did happen, then this should be thoroughly investigated. The “speaker” with ties to the FBI who supposedly spoke to these LEO’s should be identified by name. The policy should be verified and documentation obtained, etc. Then, if found to be true, it should be in the media - major media.

Personally, I don’t care if I’m “tagged”. Free speech. Like Robert Novak said: “Always love your country — but never trust your government!


32 posted on 09/27/2009 9:02:46 AM PDT by khnyny
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To: Travis McGee
You are correct to suspect the Feebies. As I recall from a long time ago we were informed that they are trained in the FBI academy that all local (non-FBI) agencies are corrupt and not to be trusted; only used.

I once taught a college level class similar to the one you described. We can and should take into account the content of bumper stickers, etc. that might indicate the sentiments of an individual or group. That being said, it most certainly doesn’t amount to probable cause to assume that the person who carries such a message is automatically a domestic terrorist. You know that of course.

The little FBIbots who come out of the FBI academy are woefully unprepared for reality though. They prefer to stay within their comfort zone by believing everything they have been told at the academy. That’s probably true of all law enforcement to some degree. Therein lies the problem. The normal maturation of a law enforcement officer should resolve most of these simple-minded assumptions over time.

Unfortunately, FBIbots are prepared for this eventuality by being brainwashed into thinking that the overwhelming majority of the rest of law enforcement is inferior and unworthy of trust and respect. It is incumbent on you and others who have a realistic perspective on the subject to continue challenge their assumptions, to refuse to defer to them when they are wrong and to pass on the correct perspective to others.

All that being said, I wouldn’t worry too much about “foreign troops” coming to the US to help out the feds. I spent a long time overseas. My assessment is that there is no military force that could or would come to the US to assist the government in putting down any sort of insurrection (call it whatever) by the American people. The so-called “blue helmets” of the UN are utterly incapable of doing so. They are, in reality, a weak, inept group of "rent-a -soldiers" incapable of taking care of themselves let alone invading. In the Balkans there is a case of a UN “soldier” from Bangladesh who actually starved to death because the UN was incapable of supplying food to the troops actually deplo9yed. Black helicopters??? Who cares what color a helo is painted? The logistics of maintaining a fleet of sufficient size to have any meaningful effect is well beyond the capability of any but the military. Could and will there be flashpoints in which people get hurt? Very likely, yes. But ultimately, the locals and the citizens who would come to their aid overwhelm any effort to deprive us of our liberty.

33 posted on 09/27/2009 9:03:06 AM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the hell out of the way!)
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To: Travis McGee

I am going to assume that I am MUCH older than you, so here is my assessment, based on many decades of living, working, and observing the evolving of society in our country:

1. What you experienced is the direct result of the over-riding philosophy that is now dominant in our country. It is characterized by the following:

A. Everyone is to be the same (this includes thinking) and individual expression is to be kept strictly confined to ones home.

B. No one is to stand out in any way, unless you happen to be one of the few who finds him/herself at the top of the heap due to musical or sports talent. Business acumen doesn’t count and is not an acceptable ‘talent’. Political ‘acumen’ is acceptable.

C. No one person’s opinion or skills are to be noted, with the exception of those included in B. above.

D. If you attend, belong to, or chose to be part of any organization you are to accept that the person(s) in charge or in roles of ‘leadership’ are there because they have been ‘chosen’ and you are not to question, challenge, or undermine them in any way whatsoever.

This applies to every aspect of life, with the one exception being an employer in the private sector. You may challenge, sue, steal, and undermine them at will.

2. This philosophy has been carefully and steadily inculcated into our society through the education of our children, starting in kindergarten.

There is no one child that is to stand out. If a child happens to cut paper a bit better than another child, give that child more of the same to cut out, just to fill the time; do not give the child something a bit more challenging to cut out. That would not be fair to the slower-cutting child.

So, you see, you challenged a ‘leader’. Not a smart thing to do in this day and age. I suggest you not do it in the future, as you will indeed find yourself passed over for promotion.

Reality sucks, but I can tell you that reality is the side to come down on right now. Maybe one day it will change, but I doubt it. (Yes, I guess I am becoming cynical in my old age)


34 posted on 09/27/2009 9:10:18 AM PDT by Happyinmygarden (Yes, actually, I have pretty much seen and heard it all before...)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
“it all counts toward 30”

I think if the S really hits the fan, a lot of them will figure the odds and opt out. But as long as they think they have the upper hand a lot of them would be happy to oppress the citizens if the gov't told them to. I wonder what they think of all the guns and ammo flying off the shelves in the last year ?

35 posted on 09/27/2009 9:12:39 AM PDT by PLMerite (Speak Truth to Stupid.)
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To: Travis McGee

What’s ironic is that I, for example, have no bumper stickers or tattoos, etc. It seems to me that people who very publicly advertise their sentiments would be the LEAST likely to be dangerous in any way because they have already vented, whether it be through a t-shirt message or a bumber sticker. These are the people who write letters to the editor.

No, if the FBI is teaching leos to beware of people based on such common and mundane PUBLIC displays, then I have even less respect for that outfit than I did ten minutes ago.


36 posted on 09/27/2009 9:14:15 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks, I sent this out to all my email list.

It’s eye opening for those that have difficulty understanding our true situation. If America does not believe the truth, it is lost.

May God bless and keep you and all of our warriors, at home and abroad.


37 posted on 09/27/2009 9:21:49 AM PDT by wizr (The Bible is the Truth. We just lie to ourselves when we don't want to believe it.)
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To: The Comedian

Is that a taxadermy created monster? Seriously, what the hell is it? Ugh!


38 posted on 09/27/2009 9:53:30 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Travis McGee

Travis, thanks for posting. Yes, it’s a good article. No doubt they are out formulating plans and making lists. Training their followers on how to identify trouble makers.

Interesting times ahead.


39 posted on 09/27/2009 9:55:28 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Travis McGee

These people make me sick. The comments were very interesting. I saw one liberal ass that went off the detainees at Guantanamo, how their liberties were violated. I almost signed up to tell him off. :P
I used to think living in a country that was the world leader was a great thing. Now I feel like they are smothering me.


40 posted on 09/27/2009 10:23:12 AM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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