Skip to comments.MUST-READ CW2 THREAD FROM ARFCOM
Posted on 09/27/2009 7:23:36 AM PDT by Travis McGee
This is my first post. I have been lurking, reading and learning for about 2 years. I hope there are many others like me. Thank you all for the wit and wisdom you have imparted. You are a great asset to this Nation. Now onto my post...
So here's what got me thinking. I'm in State law enforcement in Ohio. I was at one of our annual 2 day training events. We were in a classroom session on Domestic terrorism. The speaker was our agencies liaison with the FBI on the Joint Terrorism Task Force that was set up after 9/11. They broke it into two categories; home grown terrorists influenced by Al Qaeda and the like; and everybody else. So in the first category was some of the post 9/11 arrestees from Ohio like Christopher Paul and Imam Fawaz Damra, and then the second group included all white supremest groups, militia groups, people with anti-government sentiment, and anyone else who was overly religious. This part was nothing new to me, they have gone over this a few years prior. Then came the trouble...The instructor started talking about indicators which could be used to warn us of these peoples presence. Most made sense, like if the guy has a swastika on his forehead. Some others covered more discreet body markings. I didn't have any problem with this, but then he shows us a slide of some bumper stickers. One says, "The UN is not our friend!" and the second says, "Exercise your rights, or you'll lose them." He goes on to say that these are good indicators that the person in this car is anti-government and probably violent.
Now, I'm not one to let this slip by unchallenged. So I raise my hand and say, " Are you saying that these are possible indicators or probable indicators. He says, "probable." I take issue with this, "I say." "First, if you know anything about the UN, they aren't our friend. They also aren't our government, so I hardly see how that would make this person anti-government. And the second statement seems fairly innocuous. I would think that both the extreme left and the extreme right would say that a right not exercised is easily lost. So I would agree with both of those statements and I hardly think that makes me a threat." He looks right at me and says half jokingly, "maybe we should add you to our list." There was a bit of an awkward silence as we stared at each other. Then he just moved on. Later he showed more stickers that said things like, "I believe in the Bible", and abortion is wrong" At one point he showed a picture of some sort of Aryan Nation marking and said to me, "do you have one of these?" I was fuming.
At a later break I consulted some of the other guys, of which there were about 50. Some said they thought the guy was way out of line and some others said they thought I should have just let it go. Everyone seemed to agree he was serious. I later made the point to him that by his measure our forefathers would be suspect. I guess at that point it struck me. This guy draws no distinction between the person who blows himself up for Allah, and the guy who doesn't like big government. Since he was trained by the Feds, I must assume they feel the same.
It seems like most of the discussion and preparation here revolves around some degree or another of SHTF. I feel like that is well covered and thought out. I don't want to debate about the likeliness of one scenario or another, instead I would relish your thoughts on the scenario that concerns me the most, and which I think is the more difficult one to prepare for. You are suddenly that domestic terrorist, not because you have committed terrorist acts, but because of what you believe. They are coming for you. Now survive.
You can imagine what's stacked against you. You have to survive long enough to turn public sentiment in your favor. Not unlike our forefathers and ultimately you must save your country.
Here is what I think you have going for you. The Feds simply don't have enough resources, but could remedy that with foreign help. They rely heavily on local law enforcement which at least in my area will give them little support. State law enforcement is about half and half IMO.
Sorry for such a meaty first post. I greatly respect your opinions.
Travis, this is not your first post.
Read the comments on the Arfcom thread at the link, they’re just as worth reading as the LEO’s post.
The government lackeys are now more firmly defining the line between us and them.
Not all that surprising. We all saw that memo labeling us terror threats some months ago. I would’ve expected better than 50/50 support of law enforcement on this viewpoint tho.
This go-along-to-get-along attitude is killing us all.
“I later made the point to him that by his measure our forefathers would be suspect. I guess at that point it struck me. This guy draws no distinction between the person who blows himself up for Allah, and the guy who doesn’t like big government. Since he was trained by the Feds, I must assume they feel the same.”
No doubt. This is sick!
“I wouldve expected better than 50/50 support of law enforcement on this viewpoint tho.”
I’m happy with this ratio, as they cancel one another out.
that’s one way to look at it i guess.
I did go read the posts at Arfcom. They are very interesting, not unlike many posts here on FR. Thanks for your post here!
That means the 2 million at the March 9/12 are on the list!!!
Not much reading comprehension ?
My sister is a LEO in Texas for 20 years now. While a usually level headed person, she, too, feels that anyone not fully supporting the government in every way is someone to watch for trouble. That includes anyone and everyone. She completely believes in the pro-government belief that anyone not fully supporting the government deserves whatever the government does to them.
She may be only 1%, 50%, or even 100% of the LEOs out there, but she and her fellow like minded LEOs number enough to be serious trouble.
That was just the Obamanation administration's way of countering the fact that Obama has/had close ties to REAL terrorists, revolutionary communists Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.
"It was at the Chicago home of [Bill] Ayers and [Bernardine] Dohrn that Obama, then an up-and-coming 'community organizer,' had his political coming out party in 1995. Not content with this rite of passage in Lefty World where unrepentant terrorists are regarded as progressive luminaries, still working 'only to educate' both Obamas tended to the relationship with the Ayers."
Article: The Company He Keeps:
Meet Obamas circle: The same old America-hating Left
"Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victims stomach! Wild!"
-Weather Underground leader and wife of Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, referring to the Manson murders
Article: Allies in War -by David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001
"Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at"
--Bill Ayers (1970), quoted in New York Times, September 11, 2001:
Article: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
I'm convinced someone in Washington DC like the movie Matrix ate the wrong pill and decided to stay in the Matrix.
You show me a man who served his country in the military, has paid taxes all his life, never broken a law, never taken a dime from the government, active in their community, goes to church, and then tell me he's a problem and should be watched while gangs of armed thugs openly roam our streets then I have to think someone ate a stupid pill along with their Matrix pill.
Unfortunately for us and the fate of our Republic - they're not stupid. They have goals and and an agenda and they've been working at it for years. Generations, really. Your books reflect what I've come to believe for some time, now - that the most likely scenario will be a slide into chaos and 'dirty war'. How that plays out from there is anybody's guess. We're all too used to TV dramas where the good guys win and everything gets wrapped up at the end of the hour. History and human nature says otherwise.
No one is going to save us. True conservative leadership is largely MIA.
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