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To: kellynla
So far, the Supreme Court has not resolved this doubt because, until now, there has never been any need to do so.

Just an opion but I think Supremes would rule that a natural born citizen is anyone born here regardless of their parents. I don't agree with that position but I think that is what would happen if this particular court ruled on it.

Doesn't matter - really. The larger issue is there is a cloud hanging over this and it needs to be resolved based on facts and a SC ruling on exactly what is a "Natural born citizen". Let the chips fall where they may. But the sloppiness going on here and lack of due dilligence is truly astounding. We as a country don't even know if our President is eligible. It is mindboggling and unacceptable.

28 posted on 08/25/2009 7:46:11 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: plain talk

“I think Supremes would rule that a natural born citizen is anyone born here regardless of their parents.”

Precisely.


36 posted on 08/25/2009 9:41:05 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: plain talk
Just an opion but I think Supremes would rule that a natural born citizen is anyone born here regardless of their parents.

What on Earth leads you that that bizarre conclusion? The Supremes do have a history of actually reading and applying the Constitution, after all, and they ARE sworn to do so.

Arguendo, they have also just made things up. I would hope for a Constitutional ruling in this case rather than another brain fart a al Roe v. Wade.

44 posted on 08/26/2009 3:44:43 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: plain talk
We as a country don't even know if our President is eligible.

At the time of the drafting and ratification of the United States constitution, the definition of natural born citizen, combined both principles of jus soli and jus sanguinis.

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

Emmerich Vattel, Law of Nations, § 212. Of the citizens and natives

60 posted on 08/28/2009 6:56:10 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Everyone signing up after Nov 28, 1997 is a newbie.)
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