Posted on 01/06/2009 11:52:38 AM PST by Kevmo
1. I am Sandra Ramsey Lines, With an adddres at... I am a former federal examiner and law enforcement officer. I began training as a forensic document examiner in 1991. I am a Certified Diplomat of Forensic Sciences, a member of the American Society of Questioned Document Examiners, a member of the Southwestern Association of Forensic Document Examiners, and a member of the Questioned Document Subcommittee of the American Society of Testing and Materials. My background and credentials are set forth in Exhibit I attached hereto.
2. I have reviewed the attached affidavit posted on the internet from “Ron Polarik,” [PDF] who has declined to provide his name because of a number of death threats he has received. After my review and based on my years of experience, I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the “Daily Kos,” the Obama Campaign, “Factcheck.org” and others cannot be relied upon as genuine. Mr. Polarik raises issues concerning the COLB that I can affirm. Software such as Adobe Photoshop can produce complete images or alter images that appear to be genuine; therefore, any image offered on the internet cannot be relied upon as being a copy of the authentic document.
3. Upon a cursory inspection of the internet COLB, one aspect of the image that is clearly questionable is the obliteration of the Certificate No. That number is a tracking number that would allow anyone to ask the question, “Does this number refer to the Certification of Live Birth for the child Barack Hussein Obama II?” It would not reveal any further personal information; therefore, there would be no justifiable reason for oliterating it.
4. In my experience as a forensic document examiner, if an original of any document exists, that is the document that must be examined to obtain a definitive finding of genuineness or non-genuineness. In this case, examination of the vault birth certificate for President-Elect Obama would lay this issue to rest once and for all.
SANDRA RAMSEY LINES Forensic Document Examiner ........ Paradise Valley, Arizona 85253
SRLines@cox.net
Former Federal Examiner Retired Law Enforcement Officer
* Identification of handwriting, hand printing, signatures, typewriting, photocopying, and printing processes
* Examination of paper, inks, stamps, seals, and other documentary evidence to determine identity, source, authenticity, and possible date
* Forensic analysis of business and medical records to determine whether there are alterations, additions, deletions, erasures, substitutions, and/or if the records were manufactured in a normal course-of-business manner
* Distinguishing forgery from genuineness
* Restoration or decipherment of erased, obliterated or hidden writing
* Expert testimony in state and federal courts, and regulatory hearings
Certified Diplomate, American Board of Forensic Document Examiners Fellow, American Academy of Forensic Sciences Member, American Society of Questioned Document Examiners Member, Southwestern Association of Forensic Document Examiners Member, American Society of Testing and Materials, Forensic Sciences Committee, and Questioned Document Subcommittee
4. I’ve given up on the compound bow and will now be firing with both barrels whenever someone calls me a troll—or anyone else with no good reason.
***Wow, it only took you a few days. You probably won’t last long here on FR.
Now, I’ve been following the BC issue since October on my own.
***So you admit you’re a n00b to this issue as well. Read back starting from June.
Barry will be sworn in on January 20th—unless someone can come up with something really big.
***That’s the SCOTUS conferences on Berg v Obama, and yet you happent to find yourself in opposition to such folks. Imagine that. Just like a troll to do something like that.
The whole COLB, BC, Polarik thing has not done much to convince anyone who matters to stop the inauguration.
***I suppose you’re one of those people who matter. It has convinced at least one congressman to say he’ll stand up in opposition to it. And there are those 4 forwards for conference from SCOTUS, that 1/1.6Billion chance of ever happening. If you signed up only a few days ago, why not just go into lurker mode for a few more days, Mr. Troll? Your activation as an open troll was too early.
You can sit there and talk about how the burden of proof is on Barry. Fine. But it won’t do d**k! If the COLB/BC tack hasn’t worked yet, it probably won’t.
***Exactly when is it supposed to work? The 20th amendment says the PE fails to qualify, so that means there’s no real standing until he’s PE and the congress counts his votes. Your argument is applying something from the future (which you don’t know) to the present, a classic argument from silence and a fallacy.
I’ll ask just one more time: What does the OP present that’s new in this whole affair?
***What does OP stand for? And who are you to be asking, since you admit you’ve only been following since October?
“It’s up to the candidate to prove their qualifications.
Or, it should be.”
Right, but apparently no one cared who mattered—not one of the 50 SoS’s. Not one Demorat state committee. Not the Demorat Nat’l Convention. Not one member of the Electoral College.
***It mattered to at least one member of the EC, who posted their thoughts on this issue and you can find it here on FR if you bother to look. These people simply haven’t done their jobs and now it’s time for the SCOTUS to do theirs.
And so far, not one federal court.
***And your point is?
Again, the only chance on the BC is for SCOTUS to subpoena the BC, if they take the/a case at all.
***You’re probably right about that. But your “deliverance” tone and your n00biness cause a foul odor.
What I’ve been saying is the burden of proof—for all practical purposes—is on US.
***No, it’s still on the candidate. Then when the SCOTUS weighs in, that’s when it will be on us if they also lack the courage to do their job. It might be a case of what the Declaration of Independence says “when in the course of human events it becomes necessary...”
Because it looks like no one is going to compel Barry to show us his BC.
***An invalid argument from the future which you cannot know, classical fallacy of an argument from silence. You have no right to be striking the tone you have been in this thread, n00bie troll. You are no conservative. You’re probably just a republican.
Now that Barry’s goons and Kenyan cousin have sealed off every scrap of documentation, what would you suggest would be proof to you? Testimony of family members doesn’t seem to be sufficient, what would you accept? ... Oh, there isn’t anything you’d accept? I thought so, since the obamessiah’s detectives and lawyers have scoured the world (literally, from Indonesia to Kenya and across the US) to bury any documentation from his adult life.
Not a single soul has claimed Barry Soetoro was born in Indonesia. But thnaks for exposing your leftist creds. You’re an agitprop for the affirmativea ction fraud.
“Right, but apparently no one cared who mattered—not one of the 50 SoS’s.” You’re wandering over here from DU to make a fool of yourself. Here’s a little quote to carry back and slobber over, over at DU, troll. At least eight of the 50 S’soS allowed a man on the ballot who wasn’t even a U.S. citizen. What does that tell you about the carelessness with which Sos’s do their election related jobs? You affirmative action fraud is no more eligible than mister Calero, based upon the missing evidence of natural born citizenship status.
You show a clear lack of intelligence and a void where the SCOTUS actions are involved. Another trait of a DU troll: “Again, the only chance on the BC is for SCOTUS to subpoena the BC, if they take the/a case at all.” If the SCOTUS remands to a lower court with stipulation that Berg or Donofrio or Wortnowski, or Keyes has standing, the lower couyrt can then move the case to discovery phase. But that was yet again a nice try to deceive readers, troll.
“If births were evenly spread across quarters, then #10640 would not be that far off..but I cannot find a periodic breakdown for Hawaii in 1961.”
Birth distribution by month for US in 1961 is here:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsus_1961_1.pdf (p. 1-29)
Birth distribution by month for HI in 1961 is on p. 2-6.
Check my math, but I get 9942 live births recorded through July. There were 1460 in August. I believe Obama BC was not registered until the 8th, so 1460 x 8/31 = 377. Add the latter to 9942 and you get 10,319 vs. Obama’s actual number of 10,640. Now, you could say Obama’s record “should” have been recorded on 8/14 given its sequence number (i.e., 31 x (10,640 - 9942)/1460 = 14.8). But births obviously are not spaced exactly evenly across every day of the month. As one example, for all we know, there may have been a “bumper crop” of Kennedy-election-night babies born in Hawaii in early August, in which case Obama fits right a mini-baby-boom in the first week of August. Indeed, this might explain the delay of several days between birth and actual registration: an unexpected, but quite temporary overload for the staff assigned to do this etc.
I think this reasonably suggests whatever other things are suspicious about Obama’s certificate, late registration isn’t one of them.
Completely useless thread, Kevmoron.
***Here you go, troll.
If This Thread is a Waste of Time, why did you log onto it?
Sunday, October 05, 2008 9:01:23 PM · by Kevmo · 54 replies · 662+ views
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Lose the mouth and the jerk attitude.
Understand?
http://www.freerepublic.com/~brutus509/
ouch. looks like his posts were all yanked, too.
double ouch.
This account has been banned or suspended.
The state of Hawaii vouched for the certificate...not the one on line-it was checked he was born in Hawaii. Even D’onfrio conceded this.
No they did not. You see the quote. Do a search on it. And Donfrio didn’t concede anything. He didn’t make it part of his lawsuit because Obama was born as a British Subject.
I find this stuff interesting, but I have been following these threads for a while. Now, I don’t see anything happening. I have no reason to disbelieve a Governor of Hawaii (Republican)-he was born in Hawaii. As far as I’m concerned he is eligible.
As for Ed...he is a money grubber and possibly a conman. I would not send him a nickel if I were you.
Thank you for your work on this Dr. Polarik.
Actually, using an average for July-Sept would yield a more valid monthly estimate, when divided by 31, yields 48 per day. I don't necessarily buy the "bumper crop" argument as the total for August was 95% of July and 92% of September. I'm going to go with 48 per day as a slightly liberal estimate.
So, 8 * 48 = 384 + 9942 = 10,326, or 314 births short of 10,640...or about 8 days later than Aug 8th.
Now, that's a lot of wiggle room to find someone who was born in August 1961 but no longer living on August 20, 2008, the day before Factcheck posted that Cert. number.
No they have not. They have never vouched for the online document. All they have EVER said is that they have 'a' document 'which meets all state law and procedure'. If you have studied Hawaiian law AT ALL you'd know an out of the USA Birth may be registered in Hawaii.
According to HRS 338-5 0 Under Compulsory Registration of Births - A parent may register a birth in lieu of certification by a hospital.
Under HRS 338-17.8 Under Certificates for CHILDREN BORN OUT OF STATE - Hawaiian law expressly provides FOR REGISTRATION OF OUT-OF-STATE BIRTHS.
HRS 338-17 Hawaii acknowledges that there may be ALTERED CERTIFICATES.
From Hawaii Department of Health (http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html):
"Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) A PERSON BORN IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY."
Because of existing Hawaiian law, merely stating they have 'a document which meets all state law and procedures' MEANS NOTHING. ZIPPO. Not without seeing the original vault copy it proves NOTHING.
Let me repeat this so you get it:
AN INDIVIDUAL CAN BE BORN IN KENYA, OR ANY OTHER FOREIGN COUNTRY, AND RECEIVE AN HAWAIIAN CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH!
And “Polarik” isn’t even the guy’s real name? You cerifitruthers are being had.
Tell you what Gipper post your real name instead of using WinOne4TheGipper after receiving several death threats and then get back to us k? And don't forget to put online your real address, phone number, and Social Security # while you're at it.
You are the one being had my friend. And you are an embarrassment to the real gipper. The real gipper would have never trashed the constitution, or would have been so willing to put it aside as a non-issue as you are doing.
The 'cerifitruthers' as you put it (I assume it should be 'certificatetruthers' but who knows?) are the only REAL AMERICANS left!!
That law was adopted in 1982. What did the earlier laws say?
Sorry Irish, your image don’t do much for me. I require a bit more testosterone, thanks. :)
Thank you for that. It is the first time I have seen it.
Last quote I saw from the folks in the HI Health Dept was that the law prohibited them from confirming anything on the cert.
As I have long said, my feeling from the start has been that Obama was probably born in the U.S. but doesnt want his original cert to be public because of some piece of information on it. There has to be a reason he would spend millions of dollars fighting this thing rather than spend 10 bucks to release the original cert.
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