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To: schaef21
BroJoeK:"****Finally, on “removing God from the equation,” I’ve said before, by definition that’s what science is and does. And it has been that way since ancient times."****

schaef21:"That’s a false statement. Notice I didn’t call you a liar. Go back and research this and you’ll find that you are mistaken."

In the past, a scientist like Newton would assign to God elements of his theory that he could not otherwise explain. Then the next scientist would come along, and explain that process without reference to God. But this second scientist might decide that some other process could only be assigned to God, which then a third scientist explains naturally...

And so it has been for centuries now. That is the progress of science -- pushing "God" further and further away from our understanding of physical nature.

Today, centuries later, scientists assume that God is NOT part of nature in any scientific sense. And indeed, it would now take some overwhelmingly strong evidence to convince them otherwise.

But, imho, in all this time God's handiwork has been clear for ANYONE to see, regardless of what the scientists say.

1,624 posted on 02/03/2009 11:18:59 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

****And so it has been for centuries now. That is the progress of science — pushing “God” further and further away from our understanding of physical nature.****

Ask yourself if that makes any sense. They are trying to “understand physical nature” by pushing God (who YOU say is the Creator) further and further away. Good luck with that.

****But, imho, in all this time God’s handiwork has been clear for ANYONE to see, regardless of what the scientists say.****

Here are the numbers:

From Nature, Vol. 394, No. 6691, p. 313 (1998) © Macmillan Publishers Ltd.:

“Our chosen group of “greater” scientists were members of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS). Our survey found near universal rejection of the transcendent by NAS natural scientists. Disbelief in God and immortality among NAS biological scientists was 65.2% and 69.0%, respectively, and among NAS physical scientists it was 79.0% and 76.3%. Most of the rest were agnostics on both issues, with few believers.”

Nice.

By the way....NAS stands for “National Academy of Sciences”.

Scientists shun God because in all of their disciplines God is shoved aside in the classroom from grade school through grad school. We are told about this in Romans 1:25:

“They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.”

You want to read a very good book....I’ll even send you a copy if you’ll put your address in my mailbox.

It’s called “The Case for a Creator” by Lee Strobel who had been an investigative reporter at the Chicago Tribune. He became an atheist in High School Biology class when he figured there was no God necessary.

His wife became a believer in Christ so he set out to prove to her that Christ never existed in order to “save their marriage”. When his investigation was complete he became a believer and in fact became a minister.

“The Case for a Creator” was the follow-up. Whether you agree with it or not it will force some mental gymnastics on you that will make you sharper.

Let me know if you’d like me to send you a copy.


1,651 posted on 02/04/2009 8:43:29 PM PST by schaef21
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