Commentary: Doing away with the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) (Replacing With The Fair Tax)

helium.com ^ | Ken Hoagland

[Sidebar Moderator]

If you notice, I did pull two of his posts.

[Turret Gunner A20]

Just saw that. Time will tell whether or not it helps.

[Man50D]

I just don’t want the FT to get approved as a gateway to enabling even more illegals to enter the country and more illegals to get their “benifits” because under FT they technically contribute to the tax system the reap they benifit of.

Illegals will have less incentive to be in the U.S. when they realize more of there ill gotten booty will be taxed when the tax burden shifts from income(which they don't pay a tax) to consumption and won't reap the benefit of a prebate as that will require a valid SS#.

[xcamel]

If it really bothers you that much, push the “fairtax boo-hoo” button.

[Man50D]

I am in favor of the Fair Tax plan but unfortunately because the huckster has adopted it we may never see any reform.

On the contrary. The reason Huckabee adopted it is because he recognized the growing grassroots movement by potential constituents to enact The Fair Tax. It illustrates The Fair Tax movement is getting too large for politicans to ignore without risking obtaining or losing political office. This is the same reason 72 members of Congress have become cosponsors. The Fair Tax movement is too big and growing too fast for any individual to stop the momentum.

[Turret Gunner A20]

Just shut the hell up and leave me alone, damnit.

[Sidebar Moderator]

If it really bothers you that much, push the “fairtax boo-hoo” button.

You are really trying my patience.

[Sidebar Moderator]

He isn't mashing the abuse button.

I'm monitoring this thread to make sure the personal attacks stop. So far, you seem to be the only one not getting the message.

[Bigun]

I am glad that you are FINALLY on this case and will assure you that if you would look into the posting history of this particular poster you would find a LONG history of just such trash as has been posted on this thread by him on a great many more.

[Sidebar Moderator]

Here's the deal. If y'all can debate the subject (and toss in the occasional limited barbed comment), please play on. I'd rather not have to babysit the FT debate.

Just don't make the thread more heat than light. Stick to the subject.

[Bigun]

Just don't make the thread more heat than light. Stick to the subject.

That would be wonderful!

We'll see which side will allow it to be thus.

[DivaDelMar]

With respect to the argument “Never been tried. No proof that it will be successful, yadda, yadda....”

Which states have no income tax and only exist on a sales tax? Seems to me Texas was one of them and their economy is bigger than many countries.

[longtermmemmory]

you are dissembling.

this legislation does NOTHING to prevent dual tax systems existing.

Without a constitutional amendment the only thing done is change the name of the IRS building. All the LEGAL mechanisms will still be in place for a single stroke of the pen.

[Petronski]

“Doing away with the Internal Revenue Service” is such a ridiculous lie.

Some government agency is going to be necessary to collect revenue, no matter how the amount of revenue due is calculated.

And if a sales tax is instituted without repeal of the 16th amendment, we will end up with a sales tax AND an income tax.

[xcamel]

The difference is “an order of magnitude”, and many state tax departments have come out against the plan in the last couple of years.

[Petronski]

It’s in the bloody Fair Tax Bill!

No mere "bill" can amend the Constitution.

No wonder Huckster likes this plan: it's as ignorant as he is.

[DivaDelMar]

Correct. No additional revenue is collected by the government. The Fair Tax is calculated to be revenue neutral. Probably the better way to look at this is that working stiffs will no longer pay twice, once at the time when the wage/salary is earned and again when buying goods.

And I don’t believe nominal prices will remain constant when the Fair Tax is enacted. I believe purchasing power for the working stiff will remain constant. Purchasing power for the illegal alien/prostitute/pimp will be diminished. Stated differently: They will be bearing a greater burden than they bear now, hence we will be bearing a smaller burden.

[Petronski]

Americans For Fair Taxation(AFFT) is working concurrently to have the 16th Amendment repealed.

If such repeal is not a condition precedent for institution of the sales tax, the plan will fail.

[Petronski]

How will an income tax spring back to life without considerable effort from the Congress?

"Considerable effort?"

Congressmen tax the way cows piss.