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Would you submit to a forced 'conversion'?
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Posted on 08/28/2006 9:47:01 AM PDT by Grig

The release of the Fox News personnel brings up what I think is an interesting moral question. If you give in and 'convert' so you can get back to your family etc., are you violating your true faith?

I don't think anyone can say for sure what they would do under such prolonged duress and I wouldn't judge someone harshly for having a breaking point, but I hope I would resist even to death any effort to force me to deny my faith.

I started a poll on this at FreeDominon, and thought you might want to have a go at it too. There is no poll function here, so you can either register and vote there, or just post a reply here, or just think it over.

The Poll:

You have been kidnapped by radical Muslims who will torture and kill you unless you publicly convert to Islam and participate in a propaganda video with them. Do you intend to....

a) Refuse to convert to help them in any way, even to the point of death by beheading.

b) Resist for as long as you can, but when no rescue comes, go ahead and do it. Everyone (including God) knows you don't really mean it so it doesn't matter.

c) Resist as long as they don't hurt you too much, but when no rescue comes, go ahead and do it. You're not sure there is a God to offend so who cares.

d) Resist for as long as you can, but when no rescue comes, go ahead and do it. God will not be pleased, but you can repent later after you are back with your family.

e) Forget this 'resist as long as you can' stuff, just do it and get the heck out of there.

f) Resist for as long as you can, but when no rescue comes make the video but not 'convert'.

g) Resist for as long as you can, but when no rescue comes 'convert but refuse to make the video.

h) I'de be the one doing the kidnapping you infidel dog!

i) Other (post and explain)


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To: Grig

a) resist totally, would be my choice, even with beheading.


21 posted on 08/28/2006 9:59:56 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: shield
A forced conversion is just that forced without their heart in it...without the heart conversion IT DOESN'T COUNT

I agree! 'Forced conversion' is not the same as renouncing my Saviour. I hope I would never do that.
22 posted on 08/28/2006 10:00:04 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Grig

I think I'd tell them what they want to hear to save my life, because when I get back to the 'States I'd have a golden opportunity to tell the world what a satanic nest of evil bastards Mad-Mo-the-ped-a-fo has created.


23 posted on 08/28/2006 10:01:36 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Muslims - The "flesh eating bacteria" version of humans.)
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To: Grig
I choose i)

I would resist and remain strong in my Christian faith to the point of being be-headed. I would also try to find an opportunity to kill any of my kidnappers.
24 posted on 08/28/2006 10:01:39 AM PDT by CMS (Posting from FOB Speicher IF YOU CAN'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, THEN PLEASE STAND IN FRONT OF THEM)
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To: Merry

"Somehow I think if you have your face on mud with your hands painfully tied behind your back, it's not a real conversion."

True, but if that's all it takes to get you to speak out against your beliefs, do you really have a lot of faith? Doesn't it kinda show that your highest loyalty is to yourself moreso than to your God?


25 posted on 08/28/2006 10:03:44 AM PDT by Grig
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To: Grig
Play the game, get out alive, then live for revenge. You ain't no good for the cause of freedom if you're pushing up daisies. I'm going over to vote so I have to pick one of them... LOL.
26 posted on 08/28/2006 10:04:11 AM PDT by b4its2late (Take me drunk, I'm home now........)
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To: Grig

I can't honestly say what I would do because it's unlikely that I'll ever be in that situation. However I wish there was a surefire way of tracking me. If there's no hope of rescue, target me with a JDAM and take the islamderthal animals out with me.


27 posted on 08/28/2006 10:04:19 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: TChris

I would HOPE that I and ALL CHristians would chose A.
Human nature and the desire to live and see our families again says otherwise though.
I pray I'm never in that situation!


28 posted on 08/28/2006 10:04:54 AM PDT by Muzzle_em (taglines are for sissies)
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To: Grig

Some say that we as a nation have have turned our back on the absolute and exclusive authority of Christ over our religion by allowing Congress to assume jurisdiction over the things that belong to God by making the law that put "In God We Trust" on the nation's currency. Some say that by merely using U. S. Currency we have converted to the religion of the Antichrist. I am not sure the argument is sound, but I can't find the fallacy. Can someone enlighten me?


29 posted on 08/28/2006 10:07:43 AM PDT by TexasJackFlash
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To: Grig

It's easy to sit here in my air conditioned office and say that I'd spit in their eye and tell them to go to hell.

However, I know that in reality, I'd probably go along with it to save my skin. If I could think of some clever way to let people viewing the video that I was being coerced, I'd do that.

If I truly believed that they were going to kill me anyway, perhaps I'd do it differently.

Who knows? I don't think anyone really knows how they'll react to deadly circumstances until they've actually been through it.


30 posted on 08/28/2006 10:08:58 AM PDT by Trampled by Lambs (A storm is coming...)
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To: TrebleRebel
I'm with you. I'd pose in nipple-clamps for photos of me butt-f@#$ng Capatain Kangaroo if they said they'd then let me go.

That was absolutely gross and hilarious all at the same time.

31 posted on 08/28/2006 10:09:28 AM PDT by ShadowDancer (No autopsy, no foul.)
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To: TexasJackFlash

"I am not sure the argument is sound, but I can't find the fallacy."

It isn't an argument, it's just a statement of belief.


32 posted on 08/28/2006 10:10:01 AM PDT by Grig
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To: Grig

Christ suffered a lot for each of us, and he could have freed himself at any time with ease.


33 posted on 08/28/2006 10:12:14 AM PDT by Grig
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To: TrebleRebel; agooga
you guys make me sick!

You would actually give those F***ing r**headed islimeist kidnappers what they want? That is a big discrace and absolutley f**king inexuseable. you must have very little repsect for yourself or family or country. Go Back to DU where you will feel more at home with people that share the same "give up" type view.

Me, I'd rather die (and take as many of them as possible) before giving them an inch.
34 posted on 08/28/2006 10:13:53 AM PDT by CMS (Posting from FOB Speicher IF YOU CAN'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, THEN PLEASE STAND IN FRONT OF THEM)
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To: Ancesthntr
Same thing applies in Christianity, hence the concept of martyrdom. The faith does not permit the denial of G-d (without consequence that is).

A conversion to islam is the saying of the bismallah..."there is no god but (the islamic)allah..."

I would probably wail like a baby when they put the rusty kitchen knife to my neck...but I sure hope I wouldn't deny my Lord.

35 posted on 08/28/2006 10:15:05 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: CMS

Keyboard hero.


36 posted on 08/28/2006 10:15:28 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: Grig

I'm partial to h.


37 posted on 08/28/2006 10:20:49 AM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: Grig

It's hard for any of us to say what we would do if we were in that situation. I certainly would not cast stones at the FNC reporters. I am not a theologian but I still think it's not a true conversion. If the Muslims have their way, we will all be faced with this decision at some point.


38 posted on 08/28/2006 10:21:05 AM PDT by Merry
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To: Grig

I'd pick (a).


39 posted on 08/28/2006 10:21:19 AM PDT by shekkian
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To: Muzzle_em
Human nature and the desire to live and see our families again says otherwise though.

Would you want to live, knowing that you would have to face your Savior and explain how you denied Him with your own mouth? I wouldn't.

As opposed to those who think that what you say doesn't matter if your heart is right, I firmly believe what you say does matter.

Matt. 15

11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Rev. 20

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.


40 posted on 08/28/2006 10:21:35 AM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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