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A Traitor's Tirade: Rep. John Murtha Soils The Corps (Gunny Bob)
Men's News Daily ^ | 17 November 2005 | Bob Newman ("Gunny Bob")

Posted on 11/17/2005 6:14:19 PM PST by Stultis

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To: Gordongekko909
" He isn't saying that any soldiers should cut and run, but rather that the President should order them to leave Iraq."
Please become un-confused. Read your above. That spells cut and run not only to our Marines but our Army,Navy, and Airforce. They are commisioned to do a job, and that is to free Iraq from the leftover evil doers of all flavors and fully train the new Iraqi forces to be self sufficient. This asshole is suggestion we cut and run. I listened to him on PBS tonight. He made it clear they could be removed and put in Kuwait! What an ass&hole! And he was a Marine Colonel! He has lost touch with what one would expected him to fully understand. Imagine moving 130,000 plus US forces into Kuwait in holding pens! Think about the ramifications. No this guy has gone over the edge and some republicans with a clear speaking voice with all the facts better had start sticking up for the POTUS or the damn demos and the L/MSM are going to win their NAM engineered fiasco once again.
41 posted on 11/17/2005 10:27:29 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Gordongekko909

"bring the troops home stuff"

is "RAT speak" for "cut and run"---Murtha is an 'old fool' who is up for election in 2006 and has to toe the 'RAT" line for money and other support---Pittsburgh, in my state of PA., is a "RAT" city and deserves Murtha-- with his resume on the services and defense he should know better than to say such a thing when his beloved? Corp is in harms way---God Bless all of our troops and Semper Fi--

Semper Paratus--US Coast Guard WW2 combat vet


42 posted on 11/17/2005 10:33:08 PM PST by cmotormac44
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To: river rat

He was nearly in tears because he knew he was doing wrong. He knows appeasement and pulling out now is death to the military. A "date certain" with death. The terrorists all over the world would rejoice and ululate themselves into a frenzy. Attacks on Americans and American interests would increase in number and intensity. "The Great Satan can be defeated!" they would scream as they cut off the heads of innocents. The open borders of the southwest would be look like a hurricane evac route, to terrorists intent on doing their nefarious acts. He either believes his party's own propaganda or he's an old fool who's been in there too long........


43 posted on 11/18/2005 5:14:52 AM PST by Red Badger (United States Marine Corps, Saving France's Bacon Since 1775.............)
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To: Torie
Try to name more than five Dem congressmen north of the Mason Dixon line that are more conservative than Murtha.

Why? His voting record is pretty clear,his votes on foreign policy and defense and more liberal than two thirds of his peers. Geography has nothing to do with it. He votes as a liberal despite his portrayal as a hawk.

The guy has been a hawkish type in general.

No he hasn't, the guy was a staunch Dean supporter. He voted for war in Iraq but has been a critic ever since.

The terms "hawk" doesn't describe Murtha at all. He's entitled to his opinion, he's earned that in spades but he's not entitled to the bs opinion that you can't favor the war if you aren't a veteran and he deserves scorn for this pull out immediately crap because he is a Vietnam Vet.

Screw him.

44 posted on 11/18/2005 5:35:57 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: kellynla
I called Murtha's office today and read him the "riot act!"
Marines UP! Time to "rock and roll." Semper Fi ...

Washington, D.C. Office
(202) 225-2065
PA District Office
(814) 535-2642

Via the web
45 posted on 11/18/2005 5:50:42 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Stultis

Zarqawi has a new best friend. Murtha.


46 posted on 11/18/2005 5:53:04 AM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: oh8eleven
All attempts to contact Murtha the traitor via email lead to this:
"The requested page could not be found."
47 posted on 11/18/2005 5:59:31 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Stultis

ouch, thats gonna leave a mark


48 posted on 11/18/2005 6:43:09 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Calpernia; Admin Moderator
Why is this in blogger?

[shrugging shoulders, spreading hands palms up]

I posted it in News and indexed to Editorials. Maybe because it was published in MensNewsDaily? I'm not aware that "Gunny Bob" is a blogger. He has a radio show.

49 posted on 11/18/2005 7:13:39 AM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: jwalsh07
The terms "hawk" doesn't describe Murtha at all.

Yes it does. He's been a "hawk" several time now, then a "hawk" who "suddenly" turned against the war. Then we don't hear anything about him for awhile and he turns up as a "hawk" who "suddenly" turns against the war. Then Bill Murray kidnaps "Phil" the groundhog...

50 posted on 11/18/2005 7:19:26 AM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: river rat

I thought John Glen was a sell-out too.


51 posted on 11/18/2005 6:52:15 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Cap'n Crunch

John Glenn DID sell out --- on the Impeachment of Clinton..
Clinton got his vote for the promise to send Glen back into space on that ridiculous mission....

I've heard that Glenn was not even popular among his astronout "buddies"..... It appears he was a self serving prick his whole NASA and Political life.

Semper Fi


52 posted on 11/18/2005 7:06:08 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat

I remember that and it made me sick. I never liked the man and lost all respect for him when he sold out.

I was at Camp Lejeune when Garwood's trial was going on. I was with Echo 2/2 at the time. Garwood always arrived in an old Chevy, I think it was a 55 or 57.


53 posted on 11/18/2005 7:10:27 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Cap'n Crunch
Washington and that fat pig's tit to suck on, changes a lot of men...

For a time, I lived just North of D.C. in Montgomery County while my dad ran a Restaurant in the very tony section of Georgetown --- frequented by MANY heavy hitting politicians..

As a rule -- they were pricks on an expense account -- old men with young whores....

It scared the hell out of me, to see the country in the hands of men such as these......
It wasn't until I got to Parris Island and Camp Lejeune, did I meet the men that REALLY makes America work....

Semper Fi
54 posted on 11/18/2005 7:57:26 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Gordongekko909
... his statement doesn't seem to be a call for retreat directed at the military

My friend, it's time for you to take a remedial reading course. Murtha is very clear in his meaning"

Direct quote from his webpage:

"My plan calls:

To immediately redeploy U.S. troops consistent with the safety of U.S. forces.

Now, if you want to pull a Clinton and argue the subtleties between "immediately redeploy" and "immediately withdraw", that's fine. However, The New York Times, Washington Post, San Francisco Chronicle, San Jose Mercury News and CNN.com all reported Murtha as calling for "immediate withdrawal." Check it out at Google News.
55 posted on 11/20/2005 4:39:13 AM PST by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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To: Redleg Duke

....You have to understand that Murtha isn't an American, he is a DemocRAT.......

He surrendered his right to call himself American


56 posted on 11/20/2005 4:43:10 AM PST by bert (K.E. ; N.P . (FR = a lotta talk, but little action))
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To: river rat

Well said. And "Amen" to what makes this country really work. The older I get the more I appreciate what the Marine Corps did for me.


57 posted on 11/20/2005 5:38:59 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Cap'n Crunch
It sounds like we're pretty much from the same era...

Personally, I'm happy as hell to still be here and above room temperature -- but highly pissed that too few of my brothers are here to share the good golden years with me....

To hear this current batch of political bastards attempt to maneuver for political position by once again retreating from fields bloodied by American Marines before the victory is secured --- turns my blood cold and I begin to think thoughts that could get me arrested...

Too many of our Congress Critters are better suited as worm food that as leaders of a Republic at war.

Semper Fi

58 posted on 11/20/2005 5:49:25 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat

I was in the Corps from 1978 to 1982. I joined because I wanted to be a 'grunt' and serve in Vietnam. I often regret not having been in combat. People tell me that I am 'lucky' I wasn't and I suppose that in a sense that is true but I didn't join the Marine Corps to sit on the sidelines, I would have preferred to be in the game.

A guy I work with is a Marine Corps Vietnam Veteran from 1966-67. I would tell him that he was a Marine, I was in the Marine Corps.

I also hear people say that the Corps, after Vietnam, was not up to snuff and that the Marines from that era were inferior compared to predecessors. And some have said that because of this I don't have the 'right' to express my opinion.

I suppose that these things have made me slightly bitter.

I didn't get to choose what era or under what circumstances that I served.

But I've come to see that some of the people who did serve in combat and may have served in the 'real' Marine Corps have been disappointing.

I guess that's human nature.

Sorry for rambling, some of this stuff has been stuck in my craw for a long time and I probably didn't get my point across as well as I would have liked.

Hope you have a great Thanksgiving.


59 posted on 11/23/2005 3:24:18 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Cap'n Crunch
"But I've come to see that some of the people who did serve in combat and may have served in the 'real' Marine Corps have been disappointing."

Whatever a man did from the ages of 18 to 23 ---- doesn't always determine the type man he'll become, once he "matures" and decides he wants more out of life that he has -- or feels the world owes him something more..

There are many very public characters that prove your point --- about those that may have served - and then turned out to be outright or borderline traitors or scum bags: John Kerry, Scott Ritter, John Glenn, Murtha, etc, etc....

Personally, I believe each of us is entitled only to be regarded as the man we have become -- not the man we were..
One exception - is those that were horribly wounded in the mind and spirit that they still remain a prisoner of their nightmares and will probably never be known for the man they could have been -- and must continue to receive the love of his friends for the man that he was... These are the saddest and most deserving veterans of all...

I believe I know what you're saying and how you feel..
I've NEVER been able to join any of the veterans organizations or attend any of the large "reunions" of our Battalion....
Not enough of the survivors or attendees, experienced the same experiences in the same manner - nor were they as close to men we lost as our small circle was..
We share only the era, uniform and love of the Corps -- but none us us saw the war in the same way....
I found it too depressing to attend the events, and even stopped attending the Birthday Balls...

The Balls were the most depressing, seeing all those bright eyed young warriors in Blues -- only reminded me of how old I had become - and how those we lost, looked so much like the young warriors at the Ball -- and will forever be that young.

I found that there were only a few of the men -- those I served most closely with, and those I never lost respect for -- are the only ones I continue to care to stay in contact with or to visit at The Wall....

You're wrong on one very important point.. There is only ONE Marine Corps... YOUR Marine Corps.. Anyone that enlisted, graduated boot camp, completed ITR, wore the uniform with honor and dignity and served their enlistment honorably -- is a Marine.. PERIOD....

Semper Fi Brother...

60 posted on 11/23/2005 8:37:05 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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