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To: Sola Veritas
You statement is untrue. No true "ID" proponents have an agenda of getting "creationism" taught in the schools.

http://www.public.asu.edu/~jmlynch/idt/wedge.html

http://www.cse.msu.edu/~weinshan/Intelligent%20Design%20Movement%20in%20Their%20Own%20Words.htm

http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5582&abbr=cs_

http://www.ideacenter.org/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/1188

http://www.au.org/site/PageServer?pagename=cs_2005_02_special


22 posted on 05/13/2005 8:27:40 AM PDT by Coyoteman
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To: Coyoteman

These are all sites controled by persons/organizations hostile towards ID proponents. This is hardly proof of some grand conspiracy. Your sources are the ones that have an interest in trying to descredit ID folks. Once again, you need to directly talk with pure ID folks and then pure creationists. You will find there is no collusion between them.

For instance, the flagship of creationists is ICR. They do NOT endorse ID. Also, I think you will find that mainline ID proponents think creationists to be extremists.

Try doing some personal/original research that can document your claims and stop listening to biased sources. Stop being so gulible. The MSM and liberals love your type.


26 posted on 05/14/2005 7:37:12 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Coyoteman
Re:
http://www.public.asu.edu/~jmlynch/idt/wedge.html
http://www.cse.msu.edu/~weinshan/Intelligent%20Design%20Movement%20in%20Their%20Own%20Words.htm
http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5582&abbr=cs_
http://www.ideacenter.org/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/1188
http://www.au.org/site/PageServer?pagename=cs_2005_02_special
Did you actually take the time to read these sites? I thought I'd give it a shot and found the first one to be written by some "anti-creationist". The second article likewise is from another anti-creationist who attributes the article to an anti-creationist organization. As au.org is Americans United for Separation of Church and State, I would not finding it the least bit surprising that they would be inclined to link ID with creationism.

Sadly, the only reasoned link appears to be: http://www.ideacenter.org/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/1188, which says:
FAQ: Isn't intelligent design just a movement trying to push a political agenda? The Short Answer: No, definitely not. Many people view intelligent design as forcing a political agenda upon science. There may be some individuals who would like to see public policy changes in light of intelligent design theory (many have also sought to make public policy changes in light of evolutionary theory), but that does not mean that intelligent design theory is not a bona fide scientific theory or that it is just a political movement. Intelligent design theory is trying to do neither of these, as it is a serious scientific research program. For those who want to see how the research of the ID movement is real science with a science-oriented basis and goal, visit the International Society for Complexity, Information, and Design (ISCID.org). At its heart, intelligent design is based upon science.

27 posted on 05/20/2005 9:57:57 AM PDT by yevgenie
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