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1 posted on 09/21/2004 6:44:47 AM PDT by AdrianSpidle
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Interesting...


2 posted on 09/21/2004 6:47:12 AM PDT by RockinRight (W stands for whoop-a**!!!)
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All government, regardless of party, tends towards greater control. Take your choice of rides, slow or fast.


3 posted on 09/21/2004 6:48:25 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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Corporations have little influence on the media. The media is a good ole boys network of liberals who refuse to associate with social conservatives. The liberal media pushes ideas such as hate crimes, abortion rights, global warming mania, gay rights, anti-school choice. Most items which the media has a strong bias for, coporations have no interest in. I can't buy into the corporate media BS that leftist spew.


4 posted on 09/21/2004 6:51:19 AM PDT by Always Right
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I too cannot accept that the notion that the MSM is not LIBERAL, in general. All one needs to do is listen to rantings of all the talking heads, Rather, Jennings, Browkaw(one of the worst Libs), etc. On and off the media.

I agree with "follow the money" -- all the way to the top of the media giants. Liberalism every where you look.

I try to stay away from the MSM now -- it is so disgustingly biased FOR THE LEFT that thier news, much of it self-generated, is not worth the paper its printed on.


6 posted on 09/21/2004 6:57:13 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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Sounds right to me. There's nothing idealistic about the modern democratic party.

He's less right about what the republican party stands for, though. They're definitely less for the working guy than they were twenty years ago.

7 posted on 09/21/2004 7:00:23 AM PDT by skeeter
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I don't know how the idea that Big Business and the "rich" were the darlings of the Republicans got started. It has been obvious for a long time that those looking for handouts look to the Dums for it. Look at the corporate scandals that took hold during the Clinton years, look who the fat cats in congress are......all dumorats.
Farm and ranch country is almost always Republican, and they are among the poorest of the working class.


8 posted on 09/21/2004 7:07:21 AM PDT by midwyf
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I think it would be helpful to differentiate from the network honchos and the talking heads. I agree the Leslie Moonveses of the world fit your profile, but the editors and "talent" (using that word loosely) have socialist sympathies...


9 posted on 09/21/2004 7:09:06 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (The message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing...)
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Far too many people quickly associate Corporate with Consrvative. Corporations are about centralizing power and modern liberal dogma emphasizes the same cetralization of power. If you look at the social democratic governments of Europe you see clear evidence of cooperation between corps and gov'ts. In fact the corps are the powers behind the continued centralization under the European Union.

In the U.S. most new jobs are created by small businesses. I don't feel this is the case in Europe. Gov't imposed work rules, vacations, medical benefits, and safety regs while growing nuisances to small business here in America, are Himalaya sized impediments to small business in the EU.The same would be true for Japan.In my reading it seems the only growing economic player that may not be going in this direction is India, but I could be wrong.

All in all the idea of modern Liberal dogma being in opposition to Corporate growth is wrong. The opposite is the case and the danger to Liberty.

10 posted on 09/21/2004 7:15:49 AM PDT by xkaydet65 (" You have never tasted freedom my friend, else you would know, it is purchased not with gold, but w)
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"They'll all answer, correctly, that the elite media is controlled by corporate interests and thus not liberal."

This premise is faulty so any conclusions that follow from it are faulty.

JWinNC

11 posted on 09/21/2004 7:18:44 AM PDT by JWinNC
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The Republican Party is the party of the middle class. That shows up plainly in the fact that in 2000 Bush won everywhere except in the poor districts of the inner city where you will find poor and minorities and in the toney suburbs.

The rich can afford to pay high taxes, and those who advocate such - e.g., Warren Buffet - do so as a form of conspicuous consumption. They are buying PR for themselves - seperating themselves from the middle class which is really hurt by high taxes.

12 posted on 09/21/2004 7:22:14 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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If not liberal, perhaps STUPID would be better.


14 posted on 09/21/2004 7:28:18 AM PDT by ConservativeBamaFan (We know too much, and are convinced of too little. --T.S. Elliot)
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1 - The elite media is pro-Democrat and anti-Republican. This is very different from "liberal" or "lefty

It is very different than "liberal", but not "leftist". Unfortunately in this country, the classical (and actually correct) definition of "liberal" has been subverted by the leftists. Technically speaking, the founding fathers were "liberals", as they believed in the values of individual liberty, expression, and responsibility. Unfortunately, the leftists (as they are rightly called) have hijacked this term, as they wish to paint themselves as some "champion for the little guy" or the "downtrodden", when in reality, they support a leftist agenda, i.e, communism, socialism, etc.

This practice has become so commonplace that the term "liberal" as it's used today has become synonymous with "leftist", for better or worse. Thus, I would disagree with your point #1, for the simple reason that it's not true, realistically speaking. Put another way, being "pro Democrat" is very much being "liberal" and/or "lefty", at least in the common vernacular.

18 posted on 09/21/2004 7:46:07 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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4 - Big business wants big government to take over their responsibilities for employee health care and retirement funding.

Businesses understand that's there no free lunch, they just hope that government take over simplifies the rules, for them. Less differiation in the market place, companies don't need to pay attention to these matters to attract and retain employees.

20 posted on 09/21/2004 9:09:19 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Islam: Men defend most violently, not what they know to be true, but what they fear may be false.)
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Big business is obviously also pro-Democrat. Why, do you ask, would big business be pro-Democrat?

Democrats are easily bribed.

Before their fall, when Enron was in trouble, who did they turn to? Clinton’s Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, who called the Treasury Dept on Enron’s behalf, but was rebuffed by the Republican Treasury Department. Is there any doubt that Clinton’s people would have been much more obliging for the right campaign donation?

22 posted on 09/21/2004 11:09:19 AM PDT by RJL
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1 - The elite media is pro-Democrat and anti-Republican. This is very different from "liberal" or "lefty".

Liberal and lefty are *not* interchangeable terms. The media is liberal, but they're not necessarily leftist.

23 posted on 09/21/2004 1:39:02 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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2 - Big business is obviously also pro-Democrat. Why, do you ask, would big business be pro-Democrat? Well here's why:

Government regulations increase the cost of entry into many markets, thus benefiting existing participants.

25 posted on 09/21/2004 4:00:48 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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