But people who criticize people who are Trying to Have Children in terms of the extra embryos? You need to rechannel your energy into something less crazy.
Semantics make everything very, very tricky. You see "it" is not merely an "embryo" but a "baby." So, lets rewrite that sentence like this:
What's better?
For 1 baby to be born, grow, learn to know and love god, and become saved, with 1 baby lost in the process of IVF........or for the 1 baby to never have existed at all?
Hmmm, in other words, in order to make a baby, you have to kill a baby.
Please see post #52 above.
***Abortion is sick and wrong. But people who criticize people who are Trying to Have Children in terms of the extra embryos? You need to rechannel your energy into something less crazy.***
As one who has been through 4 miscarriages before and and 3 after the birth of our daughter I do criticize those who abort embryos in seeking pregnancy.
If life begins at conception (which is my theological conviction as a Protestant pastor and theologian) then destroying an embryo is the moral equivalent of terminating a pregnancy, "eliminating" a toddler, or euthanizing an elderly person.
As a Protestant I am not a practitioner of NFP as held by the Catholic Church, but I do reject birth control methods and fertility methods that destroy fertilized eggs.
For our family this is a very personal issue. In fertility counseling we rejected many medical recommendations because of our convictions even when we were intensely desirous of having children. We know how easy it is to rationalize treatment options.
As Christians, my wife and I wanted to honor God in whatever family He might provide us. Now that daughter is 22 years old and we have very clear consciences and no regrets.
Note: After out seventh miscarriage we adopted our son from a Christian agency. I am so thankful for a birth mother who chose life when a myriad of reasons and rationalizations could have persuaded her otherwise. My 18 year old son is thankful too!
The bottom line question for us was: which is the greater passion, to have a child or to honor God?
So, abortion is "sick" and "wrong" unless it's performed in the context of "Trying to Have Children" [sic]? And to think otherwise is "crazy"?
I believe what you really meant to say was that abortion is "sick" and "wrong," except for the abortions you agree with.
Free Republic: where life begins at conception, except when it's convenient for it not to, and abortion is sick and wrong, except when I really, really need it for some reason I think is worthy. And if you dare to point out that this is duplicitous, you're "crazy".
I won't get into the merits of this particular post, but I have to point out the illogic of this comment.
You have introduced an artificial distinction between the disposal of "extra embryos" resulting from IVF, and the disposal of "extra embryo(s)" by means of abortion. Why is the disposal "sick and wrong" in one instance, and perfectly OK in the other?
For 1 baby to be born, grow, learn to know and love god, and become saved, with 1 embyro lost in the process of IVF........or for the 1 baby to never have existed at all?
This is precisely the logic used to defend various forms of "abortion for convenience."
It's the same embryo in both cases! How can abortion be ''sick and wrong" in one case, but okay in the other. The exact same bthing is being done.
Which is better: for a mother to kill 140 of her own children, or for a mother to NOT kill 140 of her own children?
It’s shocking how many people there are on FR who see nothing objectionable about murdering hundreds of babies, as long as the OVERALL process is “respectable” and results in a baby that some wealthy, famous person “wants.”
“Moral imbecile” is the correct term for people who make moral judgments based on the “respectability” or “decorousness” of a procedure, rather than on the reality that people are being murdered.