Why I Am Now Behind Arnold

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[EternalVigilance]

Pro choice can be read as: "pro life".

This has passed from the ridiculous into the sublime...

[DrMartinVonNostrand]

I don't think so. It makes perfect sense to me. There is another choice besides abortion. That is what makes it a "choice". If pro-life wasn't half of "pro-choice" then it wouldn't be "pro-choice" at all.

[EternalVigilance]

It makes perfect sense to me.

Of course it does.

[DrMartinVonNostrand]

Just as "pro-life" includes "pro-choice" as well.

Pro-lifers just believe the choice should be made BEFORE pregnancy.

[Tamzee]

Why not coronate yourself 'High Priest of Self-Righteousness'? And BTW -- Which positions should define "REAL" Republicans in your opinion? Pro-Choice? Pro-Gay marriage and special rights? Pro-Social programs? Pro-Gun Control?

Ummmm... I'm the one saying that our party includes voters with MANY degrees of conservative ideals, not just my own narrow political preferences. And my opinion about defining "REAL" Republicans matters not... the Republican Party already does a terrific job of defining those positions for public review. You may wish to take a look, there are several lists that detail the Party positions on hundreds of issues.

http://www.gop.org/gopinfo/platform

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The Republican Party Oath summarizes the platform simply and well, however, so I'll post it here for your enjoyment. While the oath doesn't mention guns, abortion, homosexuals, etc, it does specifically embrace "varying points of view".

The Republican Oath

I believe that the proper function of government is to do for the people those things that have to be done but cannot be done, or cannot be done as well by individuals, and that the most effective government is government closest to the people.

I believe that good government is based on the individual and that each person's ability, dignity, freedom and responsibility must be honored and recognized.

I believe that free enterprise and the encouragement of individual initiative and incentive have given this nation an economic system second to none.

I believe that sound money policy should be our goal.

I believe in equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity for all, regardless of race, creed, age, sex or national origin. I believe that persons with disabilities should be afforded equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity as well.

I believe we must retain those principles worth retaining, yet always be receptive to new ideas with an outlook broad enough to accommodate thoughtful change and varying points of view.

I believe that Americans value and should preserve their feeling of national strength and pride, and at the same time share with people everywhere a desire for peace and freedom and the extension of human rights throughout the world.

Finally, I believe that the Republican Party is the best vehicle for translating these ideals into positive and successful principles of government.

[EternalVigilance]

Your rhetorical gymnastics in defense of the indefensible are quite impressive.

[DrMartinVonNostrand]

Wait, don't tell me...

This is where EternalVigilance says he's against choice even then.

[EternalVigilance]

You are doing nothing but trying to run away from the fact that you are supporting a candidate who supports abortion.

Run, run, run---but it won't change your responsibility for that.

[DrMartinVonNostrand]

Your rhetorical gymnastics in defense of the indefensible are quite impressive

What's odd about your assessment is that I haven't given a position on abortion.

[EternalVigilance]

Ever held a tiny, helpless, defenseless little child in your arms, Doc?

[EternalVigilance]

Doesn't matter what your stated positional claim is. We have a representational form of government. You are supporting someone to represent you who supports the killing of 40 million plus little, defenseless, helpless little children--children who are, or would have been, your fellow Americans.

[Tamzee]

I'm sorry. It is possible you aren't being disingenuous, and are simply very naive. I don't know you enough to know which it might be.

Sigh.... more insults. You keep proving my own point for me :-)

[EternalVigilance]

I believe in equal rights...

Is that before or after they have passed through the birth canal?

Is that passage what makes a human human?

[EternalVigilance]

No, you don't know the difference between insults and the hard truth.

Some people respond to soft words. Some people need a verbal 2x4 up side their head before they will listen.

[Torie]

Some folks have at once so much to say, while having so little to say. And there you have it.

[2rightsleftcoast]

I'm for McClintock. Ideal scenario would be Simon and Arnold drop out and endorse Tom. As that is not going to happen I will probably vote for Arnold as I feel it is better to have a half Repub than none at all.

[Tamzee]

No, you don't know the difference between insults and the hard truth. Some people respond to soft words. Some people need a verbal 2x4 up side their head before they will listen.

And your post proves MY argument... you believe that only YOU have the lock on the "hard truth" and the rest of us won't "listen".

[EternalVigilance]

Is it true that when an abortion is performed, a little child dies, or not?

[DrMartinVonNostrand]

You are doing nothing but trying to run away from the fact that you are supporting a candidate who supports abortion. Run, run, run---but it won't change your responsibility for that.

I have no apprehension about supporting pro-choice candidates.

According to the Supreme Court and reinforced in case law over the past 30 years, abortion is a CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED RIGHT.

Let that sink in for a minute. It's time to get over it, because it's not going to change.

Personally I think it is bad law, not so much because of the "killing babies" argument, but because the Court greviously misinterprited the Constitution in order to arrive at this conclusion, the decision is so broadly tailored that it is in danger of sparking a Constitutional crisis, and the remedy itself is over-reaching.

[nyconse]

McClintock is a great guy;his views are close to mine so I like him, but he can not get elected. Have you seen the new polls? He's down around 6%. I fail to see how anyone's principles are affirmed by losing and allowing a Dem to be governor. "Pure" conservatives were enraged when Bush 1 raised taxes. They either stayed home or voted for Perot. Thus giving Clinton the election with less than 50% of the vote. Principles were cold comfort as I watched Clinton trash the presidency and bring disgrace to our nation.