Why I Am Now Behind Arnold

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[nickcarraway]

There is one area you have been very naive on, Dr. Gray Davis is not going to role over and play dead. Davis is a lousy governor, but he knows how to win elections in CA, and he is a slimer par excellence. Don't think for a second Davis isn't going to put up a fight. I don't know what he'll do, but it could be anything. And before this election is done he is going to come out with some outrageous slime on Schwarzenegger. It might be next week, or it might be right before the election. Who knows, he may be fatting the lamb for the slaughter.

[sinkspur]

RINOs have as much blood on their hands for the slaughter of innocent babies in the womb as the biggest socialist RAT in the land.

They are every bit as much responsible for the loss of our Bill of Rights as Teddy Kennedy or Tom Harkin or Tom Daschle.

When the homosexuals have destroyed the institution of marriage, and screwed a whole generation of young people up in the head, mark it up to their accounts.

I'm leaving. Good night.

This is the quintessential Keyster, right here.

Keyes' speeches never stopped at drawing moral equivalence between evil incarnate and liberals. No, he had to eventually start railing at his audience, accusing THEM of being responsible for the destruction of America and all things good and beautiful. Why? Because nobody was quite as good, as pure, as holy as Alan.

And now, EV has done the same thing. Anyone who supports Arnold has the blood of abortion on his hands, is as derelict as Teddy Kennedy in bringing down the Bill of Rights, and is responsible for the homosexualization of the country.

Is it any surprise that Keyes lost, badly?

[PhiKapMom]

A 2nd amendment supporter I can agree with! Finally! I do not see the need for anyone in civilian life to own an assault rifle but then that makes me a RINO and anti-gun rights!

[deport]

One million plus Republicans voted for Keyes in 2000. They, as a group, then supported George W. Bush.

That is the fact, so don't join the ranks of the slanderers and the historical revisionists of FR who are grinding a personal axe.

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Well you were close I guess.....

Republican Convention

               Popular Vote     Floor Vote     Hard Total 
Bush, George 12,089,564  62%   2,058.  100%   1,601.   77%
McCain, John  6,070,050  31%       1.    0%     243.   12%
Uncommitted      60,598   0%                    205.   10%
Keyes, Alan     995,555   5%       6.    0%      14.    1%

[Howlin]

They are only Republicans when it's their people that are getting the party support.

I may not agree with everything you've said on this forum in the days you've been here, but THAT is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing BUT the truth.

[Amelia]

As to losing nags, it all depends on what you consider to be 'winning'. Electing liberals doesn't qualify, at least to me.

True. And if the GOP vote is split too many ways, electing liberals is what will happen.

I guess the questions one would have to ask would be first, could a "true conservative" be elected in California? I'd suspect the answer is no, but I could be wrong...the next question would be, how conservative could one be and still get elected?

[Howlin]

They, as a group, then supported George W. Bush.

At the very last minute.

[F16Fighter]

"It is the far right conservatives who are out of step with the rest of us Republicans who have been lifelong Republicans and want our Party to grow!"

Yeah -- "Grow" like a giant tumor inside a Big Tent..

Be careful of what you wish for...And watch out for the clown-cart.

[votelife]

I will never forget when Arnold called being a Democrat "a sickness" I think in reference to his wife (that was about a month or 2 ago...)

[Howlin]

Well, I believe every word of that; though I'm not that familiar with Davis' MO, I do know I've heard plenty about him -- and with Bob Mulholland and the Clintons behind him, we all knew where that can go.

But isn't it a fact that anything salacious, short of a dead body, won't go over very well with the voters in California?

[Kuksool]

{Gray Davis is not going to role over and play dead....he knows how to win elections in CA}

Agreed. There is a reason why the Gray One is so eager to sign a bill which grants driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

[WhiteGuy]

You support candidates who WIN!

Uh......thanks for the patronizing "politics 101" comment.

You've proved my point.

[votelife]

BUMP to this pro-life logic, that some "purist" pro-lifers fail to recognize or accept.

Also, in Georgia it may come down to a pro-life Dem and a pro-choice Repub. I am voting for the Repub. Why? Our best hope to overturn Roe V Wade is through the courts-ie Surpreme Court. A Republican governor in California would help elect more Republicans to the House and Senate (some will be pro-life),maybe even deliver the State to Bush in 2004. A solid Republican congress and a Republican President would get conservative judges confirmed: our best weapon in the abortion debacle and in other important conservative issues.

[PhiKapMom]

The other day I finally figured out that the people calling us RINO's are the people threatening not to vote and about time we turned it around on them.

Vote in every election and resent being called a RINO or told I have blood on my hands as bad as any DemocRAT. I am not pro-choice but I hold the President's same views which is not pure enough for some folks on here!

[PhiKapMom]

Very well stated! My sentiments exactly!

You don't get pro-life candidates elected by putting DemocRATs in office. Have to start somewhere and having the California Governor in Republican control even with a moderate is a giant leap forward!

[Maelstrom]

Bingo

[justshe]

The people you talk about not coming out to support the primary winner because he isn't their pick or he's not "pure" enough are a perfect example of what a REAL RINO is.

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Very perceptive.

[DrMartinVonNostrand]

Why is lying under oath to the judiciary so important? Because it is a catch-all that inoculates the President from any and all crimes he may commit. "Genocide of millions? I didn't do it." ...and when found to be a lie...gets away with it.

Pure sophistry.
It's the genocide that is the crime in the first place.

Here's a shocker for you... ...Agreeing with Rush Limbaugh does not make you a conservative. There are underlying principles that create the obverse situation... I never claimed to be a disciple of conservativism. I have my personal views for my personal reasons, and that's that. My whole point was that I'm not even sure what being a "conservative" means. I like President Bush and in my neck of California that not only makes me a "conservative" but a bad person as well.

I live in the Bay Area, as I said before, and I can tell you from first hand experience, liberals are shrill, hateful, cynical people. Hence why defeating them at the polls and destroying their party is my main priority.

Here's another shocker...saying the word "God" are part of a Pledge of Allegiance, or putting it on a public building dosn't establish any religion.

Go and re-read the 1st Amendment. This may come as a shocker to you yourself, but it does not say "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion."
It in fact says "...the establishment of religion." See the difference?
The intent is that Congress shall not respect religion as an establishment. In other words, Congress is to REMAIN SILENT on all things religious.

Have you given any consideration to the exclusion of millions of Americans who worship multiple gods, such as hindus, or those who worship no god at all, such as Taoists, Bhuddists, and atheists? What about the native americans who worship many spirits?

This is what we call religious persecution. Plain and simple. The idea that atheists represent only 10% of the population so its ok to discriminate against them is truely unamerican. Jews are a mere 2% of the population, and blacks are only 12.7%. Such logic would surely legitimize discrimination against these 2 minorities as well.

[jwalsh07]

I do not see the need for anyone in civilian life to own an assault rifle but then that makes me a RINO and anti-gun rights!

Well PKM, some cursory reading of the second amendment and it's history will help.:-}

The second amendment was not written for skeet shooting or hunting. It was written so as to be the final defense against some not so fine American thinking he was the seocnd coming of King George.

Bringing a turkey gun to an assault weapon fire fight is bad for your health, no?

[Howlin]

You've proved my point.

And you've proved hers.