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Biology textbook hearings prompt science disputes [Texas]
Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 08 July 2003 | MATT FRAZIER

Posted on 07/09/2003 12:08:32 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

FORT WORTH, Texas - (KRT) -
The long-running debate over the origins of mankind continues Wednesday before the Texas State Board of Education, and the result could change the way science is taught here and across the nation.

Local and out-of-state lobbying groups will try to convince the board that the next generation of biology books should contain new scientific evidence that reportedly pokes holes in Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

Many of those groups say that they are not pushing to place a divine creator back into science books, but to show that Darwin's theory is far from a perfect explanation of the origin of mankind.

"It has become a battle ground," said Eugenie Scott, executive director of theNational Center of Science Education, which is dedicated to defending the teaching of evolution in the classroom.

Almost 45 scientists, educators and special interest groups from across the state will testify at the state's first public hearing this year on the next generation of textbooks for the courses of biology, family and career studies and English as a Second Language.

Approved textbooks will be available for classrooms for the 2004-05 school year. And because Texas is the second largest textbook buyer in the nation, the outcome could affect education nationwide.

The Texas Freedom Network and a handful of educators held a conference call last week to warn that conservative Christians and special interest organizations will try to twist textbook content to further their own views.

"We are seeing the wave of the future of religious right's attack on basic scientific principles," said Samantha Smoot, executive director of the network, an anti-censorship group and opponent of the radical right.

Those named by the network disagree with the claim, including the Discovery Institute and its Science and Culture Center of Seattle.

"Instead of wasting time looking at motivations, we wish people would look at the facts," said John West, associate director of the center.

"Our goal nationally is to encourage schools and educators to include more about evolution, including controversies about various parts of Darwinian theory that exists between even evolutionary scientists," West said. "We are a secular think tank."

The institute also is perhaps the nation's leading proponent of intelligent design - the idea that life is too complex to have occurred without the help of an unknown, intelligent being.

It pushed this view through grants to teachers and scientists, including Michael J. Behe, professor of biological sciences at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania. The Institute receives millions of dollars from philanthropists and foundations dedicated to discrediting Darwin's theory.

The center sent the state board a 55-page report that graded 11 high school biology textbooks submitted for adoption. None earned a grade above a C minus. The report also includes four arguments it says show that evolutionary theory is not as solid as presented in biology textbooks.

Discovery Institute Fellow Raymond Bohlin, who also is executive director of Probe Ministries, based in Richardson, Texas, will deliver that message in person Wednesday before the State Board of Education. Bohlin has a doctorate degree in molecular cell biology from the University of Texas at Dallas.

"If we can simply allow students to see that evolution is not an established fact, that leaves freedom for students to pursue other ideas," Bohlin said. "All I can do is continue to point these things out and hopefully get a group that hears and sees relevant data and insist on some changes."

The executive director of Texas Citizens for Science, Steven Schafersman, calls the institute's information "pseudoscience nonsense." Schafersman is an evolutionary scientist who, for more than two decades, taught biology, geology, paleontology and environmental science at a number of universities, including the University of Houston and the University of Texas of the Permian Basin.

"It sounds plausible to people who are not scientifically informed," Schafersman said. "But they are fraudulently trying to deceive board members. They might succeed, but it will be over the public protests of scientists."

The last time Texas looked at biology books, in 1997, the State Board of Education considered replacing them all with new ones that did not mention evolution. The board voted down the proposal by a slim margin.

The state requires that evolution be in textbooks. But arguments against evolution have been successful over the last decade in other states. Alabama, New Mexico and Nebraska made changes that, to varying degrees, challenge the pre-eminence of evolution in the scientific curriculum.

In 1999, the Kansas Board of Education voted to wash the concepts of evolution from the state's science curricula. A new state board has since put evolution back in. Last year, the Cobb County school board in Georgia voted to include creationism in science classes.

Texas education requirements demand that textbooks include arguments for and against evolution, said Neal Frey, an analyst working with perhaps Texas' most famous textbook reviewers, Mel and Norma Gabler.

The Gablers, of Longview, have been reviewing Texas textbooks for almost four decades. They describe themselves as conservative Christians. Some of their priorities include making sure textbooks include scientific flaws in arguments for evolution.

"None of the texts truly conform to the state's requirements that the strengths and weaknesses of scientific theories be presented to students," Frey said.

The Texas textbook proclamation of 2001, which is part of the standard for the state's curriculum, Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills, requires that biology textbooks instruct students so they may "analyze, review and critique scientific explanations, including hypotheses and theories, as to their strengths and weakness using scientific evidence and information."

The state board is empowered to reject books only for factual errors or for not meeting the state's curriculum requirements. If speakers convince the state board that their evidence is scientifically sound, members may see little choice but to demand its presence in schoolbooks.

Proposed books already have been reviewed and approved by Texas Tech University. After a public hearing Wednesday and another Sept. 10, the state board is scheduled to adopt the new textbooks in November.

Satisfying the state board is only half the battle for textbook publishers. Individual school districts choose which books to use and are reimbursed by the state unless they buy texts rejected by the state board.

Districts can opt not to use books with passages they find objectionable. So when speakers at the public hearings criticize what they perceived as flaws in various books - such as failing to portray the United States or Christianity in a positive light - many publishers listen.

New books will be distributed next summer.

State Board member Terri Leo said the Discovery Institute works with esteemed scientists and that their evidence should be heard.

"You cannot teach students how to think if you don't present both sides of a scientific issue," Leo said. "Wouldn't you think that the body that has the responsibility of what's in the classroom would look at all scientific arguments?"

State board member Bob Craig said he had heard of the Intelligent Design theory.

"I'm going in with an open mind about everybody's presentation," Craig said. "I need to hear their presentation before I make any decisions or comments.

State board member Mary Helen Berlanga said she wanted to hear from local scientists.

"If we are going to discuss scientific information in the textbooks, the discussion will have to remain scientific," Berlanga said. "I'd like to hear from some of our scientists in the field on the subject."


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To: PatrickHenry
Well now, it may be that you've identified the core of the whole conflict.

Not quite. The core of the whole conflict is the misuse of science to bash Christianity. If evolutionists would not try to force their theory down everyone's throats, there would be no conflict. If evolutinists did not use these threads to bash Christianity and instead tried to discuss the questions in a scientific manner, there would be no conflict. The conflict arises because evolutionists do not have a scientific leg to stand on and take out their hatred for Christianity on those who disprove the theory which they use to gain converts to atheism.

1,881 posted on 07/13/2003 11:10:30 AM PDT by gore3000 (Intelligent people do not believe in evolution.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Thank you so much for your reply and the hugs! Here's more hugs for you!!!

I wonder if passionate, type three, personalities would bother to rant if nobody replied? I've had a few type three atheists follow me for hundreds of posts, trying to "draw me out" --- but they eventually give up.

But with regard to conservatism and the Republican party, even type three personalities have a seat at the table. All I can do then is smile and pass the butter.

1,882 posted on 07/13/2003 11:12:00 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
To me, you were just being colorful.

Why leave it to the HTML when you can do it in the language?

1,883 posted on 07/13/2003 11:15:09 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Alamo-Girl
But with regard to conservatism and the Republican party, even type three personalities have a seat at the table.

The difficulty is that the type threes don't think anyone else belongs at the table. Just ask them. Well, you don't need to. You know what I'm talking about. Here it only causes flame wars. In the real world you can have far more serious consequences.

1,884 posted on 07/13/2003 11:17:39 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: ALS
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by atheists - evolutionists - marxists, not on religion but on the dialectual materialism. We shall virtual ignore alone. Liberal social engineers presides over the destinies of nations." - Patrick gulag Henry


1,885 posted on 07/13/2003 11:23:34 AM PDT by f.Christian (( bring it on ... crybabies // bullies - wimps - camp guards for darwin - marx - satan ))
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To: PatrickHenry
So, using these catagories for YEC people, we have: (1) Those who are YEC, and don't mind if you are not; (2) those who want to convince you to be YEC and will argue in a respectful manner; and (3) those who really hate everyone who isn't YEC, and they aren’t trying to persuade anyone.

Yes, and in general, the type threes tend to drive out most of the other YEC types, who don't even want to hang around while the threes do nothing but fling their poo at the other side.

Look around, see who is still posting without manners, and, voila', we can all recognize them (with or without, the accompanying emotions of pity, disgust, or just plain annoyance).

1,886 posted on 07/13/2003 11:28:37 AM PDT by balrog666 (When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
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To: VadeRetro
Thanks for the reply and the link (what a strange site it is!)
1,887 posted on 07/13/2003 11:35:05 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: gore3000
Founding fathers ... We don't want to intelligently design this to keep it from growing - mutating --- we want this critter to naturally grow and reach its potential !
1,888 posted on 07/13/2003 11:49:11 AM PDT by f.Christian (( bring it on ... crybabies // bullies - wimps - camp guards for darwin - marx - satan ))
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To: balrog666; PatrickHenry; VadeRetro; longshadow; js1138; Stultis
Look around, see who is still posting without manners, and, voila', we can all recognize them (with or without, the accompanying emotions of pity, disgust, or just plain annoyance).

No kidding "Placemarker".

1,889 posted on 07/13/2003 11:51:49 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: PatrickHenry
Thanks for your reply!

In the real world you can have far more serious consequences.

Indeed, type three personalities put themselves between Palestinians and Israeli tanks and sometimes lose. It was type three personalities that crashed into the WTC on 911, that bombed the USS Code and our embassies in Africa.

It was type three personalities celebrating the recent USSC decision by dancing nearly nude. These same type three personalities have previously insulted the Eucharist and danced obscenely in front of Cathedrals.

Other anti-God type three personalities express themselves in frankly obscene "art" desecrating holy images to offend the Catholic Church. And there are type three personalities running for president on the Democrat party label.

By the numbers, though, the type three personalities acting up in this fashion are mostly neither Christian nor Jew, Young Earth Creationist or Intelligent Designer supporters, conservative or Republican.

Here is a Christian Fundamentalist type three personality reaction to the serious consequence of an anti-God type three personality:

“The Baptists know all this [secularism] Their most engaging trait is that they don't care. They set forth the Truth as they have received it, that Jesus Christ died for your sins. Case in point: the Fort Worth commemoration. The occasion is ostensibly civic. The mayor is a speaker; Gov. George W. Bush and other office-holders have come as non-speakers just to reinforce the sense of public outrage and grief. A rabbi prays. I spot Moslems in the crowd. ….

Yet the occasion is saturated with Christian joy. There's an odd word -- "joy.'' What's joyous about the desecration of a house of worship and the slaughter of teenage worshippers and counselors? Nothing is "joyful'' about evil. Joy, as the Baptists of Fort Worth would make known, comes with God's response to evil. Does He leave it to fester? Hardly. He points to the victory already won, and in the end to be lastingly consummated, through His son's death and resurrection. It's right there in those Bibles waved under Satan's snoot. Nor does it stop even there, you dumb lunk with the pitchfork! Christians inside and outside the Southern Baptist Convention would affirm this reality….”

“….On the assumption that Satan, enlisting the help of Larry Gene Ashbrook, set out last week to intimidate Christians ... well, did this unholy pair pick the wrong church! Liberal Protestants of hazy theological outlook -- that might have been one thing. But Southern Baptists! No one in his right mind would put forward the Baptists as subject matter for spiritual intimidation. Confronted, menaced, jeopardized, Baptists reach for a familiar object -- the Holy Bible. They open it, they brandish it, they thrust it right in the Devil's face. Just how heart-warming it was to see them do so on a sun-splashed Sunday afternoon, in Texas Christian University's football stadium, I beg here and now to report. The Baptists, to every appearance, have it right: Spiritual warfare rages in our midst.

“….Affirm? A mild word for what goes on at the stadium. What about the father of one of the victims, leading the audience/congregation in the singing of a song his murdered daughter had loved? What about the pastor of the desecrated church, the Rev. Al Meredith, whomping up a classic Baptist revival on the spot -- a call to fasting and repentance and prayer? "Raise your hand if you want the killing to stop -- if you want to see the spirit of the living God sweeping over our land like wildfire.'' Up in the air -- a forest of affirming arms, one of them attached to an Episcopalian journalist. Bad news for Satan. He's stirred up the Baptists -- folk who take him with the deep seriousness his malice deserves. The culture wars may have taken a decisive turn….” - NewsMax 9/21/99 Bill Murchison


1,890 posted on 07/13/2003 11:54:51 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: PatrickHenry
Discussing the Designer and the strata of evidence He has embedded in the Bible is just as relevant to this thread as discussing Evolution and the strata of evidence embedded in the earth.
1,891 posted on 07/13/2003 11:56:35 AM PDT by bondserv
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To: RadioAstronomer
The way to increase the govt will also increase our voter base --- symbiosis !
1,892 posted on 07/13/2003 11:56:45 AM PDT by f.Christian (( bring it on ... crybabies // bullies - wimps - camp guards for darwin - marx - satan ))
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To: Alamo-Girl
Type 3?
1,893 posted on 07/13/2003 11:56:51 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Syllables: sym-bi-o-sis

Part of Speech noun
Pronunciation sIm bai o sihs
sIm bi o sihs
Inflected Forms symbioses
Definition 1. a close association, usu. a mutually beneficial relationship, between two dissimilar organisms.

Derived Forms symbiotic, adj. ; symbiotically, adv.
1,894 posted on 07/13/2003 11:59:23 AM PDT by f.Christian (( bring it on ... crybabies // bullies - wimps - camp guards for darwin - marx - satan ))
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To: Alamo-Girl
"I compared the passages in John 1:3 and 10 among the original Greek and seven translations. There is no significant difference that I can see."

Sounds pretty cut n dried to me :)
1,895 posted on 07/13/2003 12:01:29 PM PDT by ALS (http://designeduniverse.com Featuring original works by FR's finest . contact me to add yours!)
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To: balrog666
To get this gravy train off of the ground were going to need a fatcat unimpeachable supreme court --- that will be an easy cake walk for liberals - evolutionists !
1,896 posted on 07/13/2003 12:02:58 PM PDT by f.Christian (( bring it on ... crybabies // bullies - wimps - camp guards for darwin - marx - satan ))
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To: Alamo-Girl
I don't think those are type three. Just a gathering of types one and two is what it sounds like. Type threes are nasty.
1,897 posted on 07/13/2003 12:04:12 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: PatrickHenry
After the takeover we will persecute and demonize - ridicule our detractors --- esp the theist republican ... long live our brave new world !
1,898 posted on 07/13/2003 12:07:14 PM PDT by f.Christian (( bring it on ... crybabies // bullies - wimps - camp guards for darwin - marx - satan ))
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To: f.Christian
evos hiding behind curtain number 3 placemarker
1,899 posted on 07/13/2003 12:08:05 PM PDT by ALS (http://designeduniverse.com Featuring original works by FR's finest . contact me to add yours!)
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To: PatrickHenry
"I don't think those are type three. Just a gathering of types one and two is what it sounds like. Type threes are nasty."

So you'll be repenting any day then, eh?
1,900 posted on 07/13/2003 12:09:02 PM PDT by ALS (http://designeduniverse.com Featuring original works by FR's finest . contact me to add yours!)
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