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'Intelligent design' theory threatens science classrooms
Seattle Post Intelligencer ^ | 11/22/2002 | ALAN I. LESHNER

Posted on 06/22/2003 5:29:39 PM PDT by Aric2000

In Cobb County, Ga., controversy erupted this spring when school board officials decided to affix "disclaimer stickers" to science textbooks, alerting students that "evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things."

The stickers were the Cobb County District School Board's response to intelligent design theory, which holds that the complexity of DNA and the diversity of life forms on our planet and beyond can be explained only by an extra-natural intelligent agent. The ID movement -- reminiscent of creationism but more nuanced and harder to label -- has been quietly gaining momentum in a number of states for several years, especially Georgia and Ohio.

Stickers on textbooks are only the latest evidence of the ID movement's successes to date, though Cobb County officials did soften their position somewhat in September following a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia. In a subsequent policy statement, officials said the biological theory of evolution is a "disputed view" that must be "balanced" in the classroom, taking into account other, religious teachings.

Surely, few would begrudge ID advocates their views or the right to discuss the concept as part of religious studies. At issue, rather, is whether ID theory, so far unproven by scientific facts, should be served to students on the same platter with the well-supported theory of evolution.

How the Cobb County episode will affect science students remains uncertain since, as the National Center for Science Education noted, the amended policy statement included "mixed signals."

But it's clear that the ID movement is quickly emerging as one of the more significant threats to U.S. science education, fueled by a sophisticated marketing campaign based on a three-pronged penetration of the scientific community, educators and the general public.

In Ohio, the state's education board on Oct. 14 passed a unanimous though preliminary vote to keep ID theory out of the state's science classrooms. But the board's ruling left the door open for local school districts to present ID theory together with science and suggested that scientists should "continue to investigate and critically analyze aspects of evolutionary theory."

In fact, even while the state-level debate continued, the Patrick Henry Local School District, based in Columbus, passed a motion this June to support "the idea of intelligent design being included as appropriate in classroom discussions in addition to other scientific theories."

Undaunted by tens of thousands of e-mails it has already received on the topic, the state's education board is now gamely inviting further public comment through November. In December, Ohio's Board of Education will vote to conclusively determine whether alternatives to evolution should be included in new guidelines that spell out what students need to know about science at different grade levels.

Meanwhile, ID theorists reportedly have been active in Missouri, Kansas, New Mexico, New Jersey and other states as well as Ohio and Georgia.

What do scientists think of all this? We have great problems with the claim that ID is a scientific theory or a science-based alternative to evolutionary theory. We don't question its religious or philosophical underpinnings. That's not our business. But there is no scientific evidence underlying ID theory.

No relevant research has been done; no papers have been published in scientific journals. Because it has no science base, we believe that ID theory should be excluded from science curricula in schools.

In fact, the Board of Directors of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), the largest general scientific society in the world, passed a resolution this month urging policy-makers to keep intelligent design theory out of U.S. science classrooms.

Noting that the United States has promised to "leave no child behind," the AAAS Board found that intelligent design theory -- if presented within science courses as factually based -- is likely to confuse American schoolchildren and undermine the integrity of U.S. science education. At a time when standards-based learning and performance assessments are paramount, children would be better served by keeping scientific information separate from religious concepts.

Certainly, American society supports and encourages a broad range of viewpoints and the scientific community is no exception. While this diversity enriches the educational experience for students, science and conceptual belief systems should not be co-mingled, as ID proponents have repeatedly proposed.

The ID argument that random mutations in nature and natural selection, for example, are too complex for scientific explanation is an interesting -- and for some, highly compelling -- philosophical or theological concept. Unfortunately, it's being put forth as a scientifically based alternative to the theory of biological evolution, and it isn't based on science. In sum, there's no data to back it up, and no way of scientifically testing the validity of the ideas proposed by ID advocates.

The quality of U.S. science education is at stake here. We live in an era when science and technology are central to every issue facing our society -- individual and national security, health care, economic prosperity, employment opportunities.

Children who lack an appropriate grounding in science and mathematics, and who can't discriminate what is and isn't evidence, are doomed to lag behind their well-educated counterparts. America's science classrooms are certainly no place to mix church and state.

Alan I. Leshner is CEO of the American Association for the Advancement of Science and executive publisher of the journal Science; www.aaas.org


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To: Aric2000
Good night my friend, find something exciting out there in the cosmos.....

Since I am active in SETI, finding "something" would be pretty exciting indeed!

Good night to you also my friend. :-)

921 posted on 06/23/2003 10:39:22 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: bondserv
I am off for the night as well. Have a wonderful evening.
922 posted on 06/23/2003 10:41:14 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
Goodnight radio and bondserve. I have to tell everyone, I have really enjoyed this tonight. Thank you all. Sweet dreams
923 posted on 06/23/2003 10:42:32 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool (Jesus Loves us all!)
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To: goodseedhomeschool
I have enjoyed tonight as well. Thank you! Have a wonderful evening and sweet dreams also.
924 posted on 06/23/2003 10:46:11 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
Thanks for the input RadioAstronomer,

Have you heard anything about the Mazzeroth?

What we know as the "Signs of the Zodiac" is known in Hebrew as "the Mazzeroth".

Leo the lion being the Lion of the tribe of Judah.
Virgo the virgin being the Virgin Mary.

The Gospel story taught by the stars.
925 posted on 06/23/2003 10:46:27 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: goodseedhomeschool
Night, thanks.
926 posted on 06/23/2003 10:48:06 PM PDT by bondserv (Alignment is critical)
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To: bondserv
The Gospel story taught by the stars.

I have listened to people who teach on this subject.

Unfortunately I really must be off, it's going to be a long day tomorrow. I will be back on tomorrow evening.

927 posted on 06/23/2003 10:52:19 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Rudder
If ID had been corroborated you would hear the news on every street corner in the world.

YEs, we hear about Hillary's truthful book all over the media too.

928 posted on 06/24/2003 12:15:05 AM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: Servant of the Nine
Because it is highly improbable that multiple seperate origins would all have the same 4 amino acids in their DNA/RNA out of all the amino acids available

DNA is not made of amino acids. And no, not all beings share the same set of amino acids. As for sharing the 4 nucleotids, these are operational "bricks". With these 4 bricks you can make gazillions of different unicellular beings all potentialy combining and at the origin of who we are today, not just one. I suggest that the meeting of sperm and egg tells about the capability of some cells or proto-cells to combine each other and build on top of each other, in the manner of the building blocks of knowledge and information.

After all, don't we process information softwarewise through building blocks of learning? I am sure hardwarewise it follows the same path. Hence it is not just adapatation, but combinations which allow the preprograming of adaptations in new environments.

929 posted on 06/24/2003 12:33:12 AM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: Servant of the Nine
sorry, I meant that we do not all share the same proteines, as we all do the amino acid bricks. But sure, we all share the same bricks, but that does not make us related, just as painting of Leonardo does not relate to a bird dropping on a canvas. Both may be made of the same materials, but they are certainly not related but of mutualy alien origins.

Again, does the wheel common in many devices mean that the bottle shares a common origin with the car? The car has wheels because it cannot function without them. The bottle is round because the tool that made it was round too, the blow pipe itself, that is. It's not because 2 objects share a mathematical concept or basic building blocks that they have necessary the same physical or design origin. Some things happen to be shaped thus because by pure chance the tools manipulating them gave them their shape naturaly, other things share a shape because by design they had to be shaped that way. Even beetles push wheels and balls of clay.

930 posted on 06/24/2003 12:45:34 AM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: whattajoke
Eric2000, for evolution to be true there should be countless transitional fossils for every fully arrived creature fossil not the other way around. Doesn't your theory say that it took many, many mutations and much survival of the fittest in order for one species to progress into a different more evolved specie. There would have to be coutless fossils of many odd creatures on their way to becoming a species that just didn't make it. Creatures with stubs for wings and partially formed eyeballs, creatures with all kinds of odd combinations and things we would never have imagined existing. Where are the these countless failures that should be overabundunt in supply compared to the few that actually made it? Eric2000, for evolution to be true there should be countless transitional fossils for every fully arrived creature fossil not the other way around. Doesn't your theory say that it took many, many mutations and much survival of the fittest in order for one species to progress into a different more evolved specie. There would have to be coutless fossils of many odd creatures on their way to becoming a species that just didn't make it. Creatures with stubs for wings and partially formed eyeballs, creatures with all kinds of odd combinations and things we would never have imagined existing. Where are the these countless failures that should be overabundunt in supply compared to the few that actually made it?

Yeah... I just scanned through. Aside from Bellflower's "must be a parody cause no one is this ignorant" post #518, not much to see new here.

whattajoke, could you please without any condescendtion or sarcasm explain in logical terms and in a lucid fashion exactly why you disagree with what I said. Thank you, Bellflower

931 posted on 06/24/2003 1:12:14 AM PDT by Bellflower
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To: Aric2000
To: plain talk

Unfortunately some people are just too lazy to study and accept the revealed word of God in the Bible but yet ... will accept such a sloppy notion of science --- which amounts to throwing a bunch of stuff together and sh!t happens.

I LOVE IT! Excellant post! Thanks!

161 posted on 06/24/2003 12:56 AM PDT by Loose_Cannon1 (Part French and hating myself for it!!)

932 posted on 06/24/2003 1:37:44 AM PDT by f.Christian (( I'm going to rechristen evolution, in honor of f.Christian, "shlockology"... HumanaeVitae ))
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To: whattajoke
Please forgive the double paste. The first one didn't show up so I did another and then the first one must have come in too. Should have previewed, sorry. P:>)
933 posted on 06/24/2003 1:47:07 AM PDT by Bellflower
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To: Aric2000
Shock (( soon )) -- revelations (( designed universe )) ... awe --- you haven't seen anything - yet !
934 posted on 06/24/2003 2:34:59 AM PDT by f.Christian (( Shock -- revelations (( designed universe )) ... AWE --- you haven't seen anything - yet ))
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To: Timmy
I could just as easily point out that people and dogs each have two eyes, two ears, one mouth, and one nose. Hence, common ancestry.

And you would be right. We do share a common ancestor with dogs (and with all other mammals). And mammals share a common ancestor with reptiles and birds, and so on.

935 posted on 06/24/2003 3:34:08 AM PDT by Junior ("Eat recycled food. It's good for the environment and okay for you...")
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To: JudgemAll
I meant that we do not all share the same proteines, as we all do the amino acid bricks. But sure, we all share the same bricks, but that does not make us related, just as painting of Leonardo does not relate to a bird dropping on a canvas. Both may be made of the same materials, but they are certainly not related but of mutualy alien origins.

There are 20 odd common amino acids.
The DNA/RNA backbone Is built of just four; Thymine, Adenine, Cytosine and Guanine. The DNA/RNA backbone could have been built of any 4, or any 6 or 8.
If there were multiple beginnings we would certainly see some beginning that used a different group of amino acids.

So9

936 posted on 06/24/2003 5:54:48 AM PDT by Servant of the Nine (A Goldwater Republican)
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To: VadeRetro; goodseedhomeschool
(Mammals to reptiles are one sterling example.)

Aaaaagh! I didn't go to bed any too soon last night.

"Reptiles-to-mammals" was meant.

937 posted on 06/24/2003 6:20:57 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: jennyp
"Did I miss anything while trying to be productive?" PLACEMARKER.

If you were doing something productive, you have it all over anyone who was on this thread yesterday.

938 posted on 06/24/2003 6:21:58 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Geeze, how right you are... I was just on a long, boring, call that I had nothing to do with so I read the entire thread.

Worst. Thread. Ever.

Then again, it appears ALS got banned as a result of his posts here, so in that regard, it was a productive thread afterall.
939 posted on 06/24/2003 6:27:16 AM PDT by whattajoke
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To: VadeRetro
Slime free PLACEMARKER
940 posted on 06/24/2003 6:33:31 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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