'Intelligent design' theory threatens science classrooms

Seattle Post Intelligencer ^ | 11/22/2002 | ALAN I. LESHNER

[f.Christian]

To: Aric2000

The death of evolutionary theory has already occurred, the protests of the Seattle Post Intelligencer notwithstanding. Like most major philosophical shifts, it takes several decades before it becomes common wisdom.


565 posted on 06/23/2003 10:25 AM PDT by Aquinasfan

[CyberCowboy777]

I really do not want to be involved here but....

religious fanatics are dumbing down the curriculum.

I am sorry but religion has had nothing to do with the fact that 60% of high school kids cannot read at the proficient level. Humanist have been in charge of public education for decades and it is only Private and Home schools that have keep to higher standards.

Religious schools regularly perform well above public schools, disagreement over evolution hardly constitutes a dumbing down. I dare say the average private\religious\home school student knows more about evolution than a average public school student.

Your post really calls into question your knowledge on the subject.

[CyberCowboy777]

inferiority complex? lol someone is projecting....

do you want to be loved? to be someone special....lol

[js1138]

Aquinasfan
believes "The Exorcist" is a documentary.

[CyberCowboy777]

separation of church and state? ROTFLMAO

Do you have any idea what that means? Do you know where the term is quoted from?

[ApesForEvolution]

Have any of these records, studies or physical sciences ever, once, provided evidence of the big evolie?

Answer: "NO!"

[CyberCowboy777]

Religion is morales

Care to explain that little made to order fact?

doctorates you say....lol

[JudgemAll]

Evolutionary theory is well-supported by scientific evidence (data). Any alternative to any theory must, to exist as credible to science, have data to support it. ID theory has no scientific data to support it.

Wrong. ID has been corroborated by atheist scientists, indicating that evolution does not follow the full chaotic pattern of Darwin, but chaos with a strange attractor. Hence evolution carries its very own DNA like program.

[JudgemAll]

Evolutionary theory is well-supported by scientific evidence (data). Any alternative to any theory must, to exist as credible to science, have data to support it. ID theory has no scientific data to support it.

Wrong. ID has been corroborated by atheist scientists, indicating that evolution does not follow the full chaotic pattern of Darwin, but chaos with a strange attractor. Hence evolution carries its very own DNA like program.

Check the work by D'Ambricourt.

[Dimensio]

are you kidding???? Punctuated equilibrium is a big part of "evolution" theory, at least it was the last time I heard.

Punctuated equlibrium is a hypothesis on the means by which evolution occured. It is not a fundamental aspect, and it is not even a universally held belief amongst those who accept evolution (I'm not even sure that it is all that popular). You might want to start getting your information as to what is a 'big part' of evolution theory from sources other than creationist literature.

[balrog666]

Hard to believe this thread hasn't been pulled yet placemarker.

[BMCDA]

The death of evolutionary theory has already occurred...

When? Where? Or is this just an other prediction that can be added to this list: The Imminent Demise of Evolution?

[CyberCowboy777]

The gathering of data for years and years is not the scientific method, only a part. The Evolution theories (more than one) have never completed the scientific method.

scientific method - The principles and empirical processes of discovery and demonstration considered characteristic of or necessary for scientific investigation, generally involving the observation of phenomena, the formulation of a hypothesis concerning the phenomena, experimentation to demonstrate the truth or falseness of the hypothesis, and a conclusion that validates or modifies the hypothesis.

Verifiable or provable by means of observation or experiment: empirical laws

[js1138]

Kinda makes you nostalgic for the good old days with quality opposition like AC.

[JudgemAll]

So is Gravity, Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, Chaos, ....

And so was Gallilean dynamics replaced by relativistic dynamics, and so will Darwin's theory need its challenger.

1. Why only one original being at the origin and not four or five?

2. Why is the environment never evolving dynamicaly but is static with Darwin's theory? Hence Darwin does not reflect relativistic aspects of evolution and social adaptation, let alone super adaptation through calculation.

3. While quantum mechanics show a change in speed of the particle as its position is observed, so does animal behavior change when it feel observed or not. This form of unknown and behavior of adaptation to the unknown is not even touched upon the primitive deterministic naive Darwinian approach.

4. And while a tree branch grows thanks to a DNA program, in chaotic manner with a strange attractor, so has evolution seemed to follow a strange attractor and a program. The "DNA" of ID has not been found, but it can be programmed in a computer to create intelligently evolving machines, just as regular full chaotic evolution can be programmed too but with lesser effectiveness.

[CyberCowboy777]

It does not end with theories.

scientific method - The principles and empirical processes of discovery and demonstration considered characteristic of or necessary for scientific investigation, generally involving the observation of phenomena, the formulation of a hypothesis concerning the phenomena, experimentation to demonstrate the truth or falseness of the hypothesis, and a conclusion that validates or modifies the hypothesis.

[BMCDA]

I have never ever seen a lizard lay a birds egg and I doubt I ever will.

LOL! No wonder most creationists have such a problem with the theory of evolution if they've been taught this strawman version in school. Sometimes I think not teaching the theory of evolution is better than exposing children to the various strawmen I've heard from several ex-"evolutionists".

[goodseedhomeschool]

If that is so, then perhaps they should eliminate Punc. E. from the high school textbooks. Hence the purpose for warning lables.

[goodseedhomeschool]

HI Aric. I thought a lot about our conversation last night. I did not sleep well. You touched my heart. I hope you have a great week.

[Dimensio]

If that is so, then perhaps they should eliminate Punc. E. from the high school textbooks.

Do you have a reference for a high school textbook that mentions Punctuated Equilibrium as a 'fact' or a 'leading theory' without mention that it isn't universally accepted?